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Author:  RobLyo [ Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:41 am ]
Post subject:  Nice guys finish last?
So I have become fairly confident talking to girls over the past few months (Both girls I know and girls I dont know) but it seems like I always come across as a "nice guy" instead of building attraction and being able to close. Even if I am using PU techniques (kino, push/pull, good body language, etc) I tend to come across as the guy that the girls would rather be friends with than anything else. (In fact, a girl asked me if I was sure I wasnt gay last night because I was being nice to her and helping her out :roll: ). Basically I want to know if I can use my "nice guy" attributes to my advantage or if I would be better off changing my style to more of a "dick/bad boy" approach. Its really not in my personality to be a dick towards girls (I have two sisters, so I have respect towards women. Plus, I would rather be myself then have to change) but obviously what I am doing now isnt working. If anyone on here has been in a similar situation, any little bit of advice would be much appreciated. Thanks fellas!
Author:  Infamous110 [ Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:53 am ]
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Don't try to change your approach - it won't match and it will show.

There's nothing wrong with being a nice guy. But you want girls to see you in a sexual way. You can ram up the sexual tension in various ways. The most obvious of which is kino, which you're doing, but it might not escalate enough or because you're nice-enough-to-be-gay it's non-sexual.

You can still be a nice guy and talk about sexual things. By showing preselection. By being more dominant (dominant and ass are so different).

masturbate in shower can is money. hell, just ask if they prefer taking anal or giving oral, or what they think of penis size. do a search i'm pretty sure i've seen a bunch of this around.
Author:  Rye Lee [ Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:23 am ]
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If you were doing good body language, kino, push/pull and all those sorts of things, then it wouldn't matter if you were a nice guy, cause they would become attracted to you. Just because you THINK you are doing them right, doesn't mean you are.

The only one responsible for how things go, is you, you can ALWAYS make a girl attracted to you if you do things right, even if she is having a terrible day, there is SOMETHING that will make her attracted to you. I'm not saying that is always the correct way to do, or that you should make every girl attracted to you, hell I don't try to do anything with most women I meet because I'm not intersted in them, or in order to get them I'd have to be someone I'm not.

But trust me when I say you can get a girl to be attracted to you when you're nice. I have told women I'm gay in order to help out a wing, or just to fuck with them and they believed me, so don't try to claim that as an issue. Hell, women love gay men and it's not going to disqualify you if they think that of you (hopefully they realise by the time you hit the sack, but if not, I know gay guys that have slept with girls for kicks and the girls were into it).

Attraction is attraction, there are ways to achieve it, so you need to learn them, that's all.
Author:  dieselfuel [ Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:46 am ]
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WOW! I can relate to your story. I was in the exact same shoes you are in and I have actually come up with something. I may be wrong and I frequently am but check this.
At this time I was talking to this Hb7, but the first time I met her she thought I was gay. lol. I realized that the problem was in a few things I did wrong: I didn't make her qualify herself. You said "...because I was being nice to her and helping her out..." She should prove herself to you before you help her with ANYTHING!
I didn't neg her the right way, I came across with too many IOI's I didn't put enough teasing into it.
I chased her around, like an AFC. I should have given her a reason to chase me.

The problem with you, as I understand it is in the negs.
by the way, that girl I was talking about, I f-closed her, first fclose of the summer. Maybe there is a routine that can be made of this?
Author:  RobLyo [ Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:58 am ]
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Wow thanks guys...Good advice all around. Infamous you are def. right about the sexual tension thing. I'll focus on that in the future for sure...

And Rye Lee, your post was just what I was looking for. Something I never mentioned was that the girl that asked if I was gay, actually kissed me that night and I happened to just get a text from her right now. She was really trying to qualify herself to me, so maybe I hit the attraction switch without even realizing it.

In the short time I have been here, I have found that the best part of being in the game is that everytime you go out and talk to new girls, you learn something new and you can focus on improving yourself for future situations.

Thanks again guys, I really appreciate the input.
Author:  Rye Lee [ Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:11 am ]
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Wow thanks guys...Good advice all around. Infamous you are def. right about the sexual tension thing. I'll focus on that in the future for sure...

And Rye Lee, your post was just what I was looking for. Something I never mentioned was that the girl that asked if I was gay, actually kissed me that night and I happened to just get a text from her right now. She was really trying to qualify herself to me, so maybe I hit the attraction switch without even realizing it.

In the short time I have been here, I have found that the best part of being in the game is that everytime you go out and talk to new girls, you learn something new and you can focus on improving yourself for future situations.

Thanks again guys, I really appreciate the input.
By George, I think he's got it!

You get a gold star my friend. :wink:
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