PUA Forum :: does opinion openers work at loud clubs?

The title of your thread is almost the same as asking, "Does this type of sword 'work' in a battle in so-and-so arena?" It's not the sword that wins the battle, it's the swordsman.

"Will this brand of shoe help me pass the ball better out on the soccer field in the park 2 blocks down from my house?" It's not the shoe that passes the ball, it's the soccer player.

"Will wearing this type of fabric make me a better dancer when I'm on hardwood floor?" It's not the fabric that busts the moves, it's the dancer.

The type of opener, the sword, the shoe, and the cloth are all just TOOLS. They are a vessel in which you convey who YOU are. No matter what tool you use, you're going to get the same results unless you get to the core of the issue.

You say girls aren't fully into your openers. That's bullshit. They aren't fully into YOU. Why? It's because you're holding back. Why are you holding back? It's because you are protecting your ego.

Stop being afraid of getting hurt and getting rejected and shit like that. Stop being afraid of letting go of your ego so that you can allow yourself to express all of you when you ask that girl for her opinion. It's like that cheesy fortune cookie saying, "Love as though you've never been hurt."

When you reach that point of being able to put yourself out there, to put your personality on the line, to bring out everything within you that you hold dear and unapologetically expose it to the outside world where it can be judged, squashed, spat on, and loved, THAT'S when you'll start noticing girls being fully into everything you say.

Author:	theknight [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:51 am ]
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Hey guys.. I have been going out a lot recently do loud clubs, because these places are target rich and I think is the best place to practice.. However, I run into trouble consistantly. In a loud club where is dark, full of guys picking up girls, I can't find any targets upon walking in.. I see all the girls seem already "taken", in other words, they all seem to be with some guys and are having some good rapports, based on their body language. It takes me a long time to find targets to approach.. However, my opinion openers don't seem to work well there as girls aren't fully into it and I can't keep the conversation going and stacking routines.. So any idea on what to do in clubs like this? How to engage in mixed sets when you see the guys and girls are having something going on? Thanks

Author:	Chief [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:24 am ]
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The title of your thread is almost the same as asking, "Does this type of sword 'work' in a battle in so-and-so arena?" It's not the sword that wins the battle, it's the swordsman. "Will this brand of shoe help me pass the ball better out on the soccer field in the park 2 blocks down from my house?" It's not the shoe that passes the ball, it's the soccer player. "Will wearing this type of fabric make me a better dancer when I'm on hardwood floor?" It's not the fabric that busts the moves, it's the dancer. The type of opener, the sword, the shoe, and the cloth are all just TOOLS. They are a vessel in which you convey who YOU are. No matter what tool you use, you're going to get the same results unless you get to the core of the issue. You say girls aren't fully into your openers. That's bullshit. They aren't fully into YOU. Why? It's because you're holding back. Why are you holding back? It's because you are protecting your ego. Stop being afraid of getting hurt and getting rejected and shit like that. Stop being afraid of letting go of your ego so that you can allow yourself to express all of you when you ask that girl for her opinion. It's like that cheesy fortune cookie saying, "Love as though you've never been hurt." When you reach that point of being able to put yourself out there, to put your personality on the line, to bring out everything within you that you hold dear and unapologetically expose it to the outside world where it can be judged, squashed, spat on, and loved, THAT'S when you'll start noticing girls being fully into everything you say.

Author:	Mysterious-Mind [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:49 pm ]
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I find it does, though I play more seductively in bars/clubs, especially asking my favourite "kiss" opener that has so far worked wonders for me. Use unique openers so it catches their attention as Bitch Shields will be up to the max in clubs (though the level of Bitch Shield really depends on how many guys are in the club at the time and how many times they have been approached that night with shite openers).

Author:	theknight [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:19 pm ]
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Quote: The title of your thread is almost the same as asking, "Does this type of sword 'work' in a battle in so-and-so arena?" It's not the sword that wins the battle, it's the swordsman. "Will this brand of shoe help me pass the ball better out on the soccer field in the park 2 blocks down from my house?" It's not the shoe that passes the ball, it's the soccer player. "Will wearing this type of fabric make me a better dancer when I'm on hardwood floor?" It's not the fabric that busts the moves, it's the dancer. The type of opener, the sword, the shoe, and the cloth are all just TOOLS. They are a vessel in which you convey who YOU are. No matter what tool you use, you're going to get the same results unless you get to the core of the issue. You say girls aren't fully into your openers. That's bullshit. They aren't fully into YOU. Why? It's because you're holding back. Why are you holding back? It's because you are protecting your ego. Stop being afraid of getting hurt and getting rejected and shit like that. Stop being afraid of letting go of your ego so that you can allow yourself to express all of you when you ask that girl for her opinion. It's like that cheesy fortune cookie saying, "Love as though you've never been hurt." When you reach that point of being able to put yourself out there, to put your personality on the line, to bring out everything within you that you hold dear and unapologetically expose it to the outside world where it can be judged, squashed, spat on, and loved, THAT'S when you'll start noticing girls being fully into everything you say. I think you are very right about this... However, I behave the same over and over unconciously. Maybe I wasn't letting my ego go, maybe I was expecting it to work, I dont know... I don't gonna get blown out, nobody wanna get blown out, so I was thinking that saying this and then that will prevent me from getting blown out, which is not the case.. So when you say letting ego go, or completely be yourself, I kinda know what you are talking about. Do you know any ways I can train myself to let go this unconciously? I mean, my question sounds wierd, but what to do when I start thinking too much again? Is there anything I can do to block those thoughts and let my ego go? Thanks

Author:	Chief [ Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:20 am ]
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Quote: Do you know any ways I can train myself to let go this unconciously? I mean, my question sounds wierd, but what to do when I start thinking too much again? Is there anything I can do to block those thoughts and let my ego go? OK, just to warn ya, this answer is going to sound weird lol. I'm sure there are more normal ways to achieve this, but here's what I did: Zazen meditation (like in Zen Buddhism). I read the book "The Zen of Meeting Women" by Max Weiss and it recommended that I meditate for 5 minutes a day. Doing that really helped me let go and learn to live in the moment. I recommend that book to anybody.

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