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Author:  d.humper [ Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Don't really like opinion openers
I haven't been sarging much (always get too drunk too quickly), but when I do, I found myself comming up wit ha situational one. I don't really like opinion ones, I 'de rather use them after successfully opening. Hows this one tho? (this one would porbably be used when someone is lookin gat you...)

"Hey... hows your night goin?"

*girl says whatever she says*

"My friends are being boring, so I thought I'de meet some new people"

-->ask them their names, then go on to 3 second game or 5 question game or wutever

I never used it before, but I don't really expect to be rejected...
Author:  purestylez [ Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:05 pm ]
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hey d humper.

Here is my suggestion...

You have to remember that the root objective behind an opinion opener is to ask a interesting question to elicit a response without demonstrating interest. (A-1 of Mystery's method)

With that being said, asking how's your night going won't do you much good because it doesn't effectively seperate you from the massive hurd of unorigional men out there.

Here are some openers I use all the time:

"Hey quick question, what do you think of guys that play fantasy baseball?"

"Who do you think would win in a fight, michael jackson or prince?"

"Hey there, need an opinion...what do you think of guys that wax their eyebrows?"

In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really matter what you say, words are transcient...they are forgotten within seconds. What is key is how you frame your words, how you direct and move the conversation to the next topic, and level of energy, excitement, and interest you maintain within the interaction.

Typical conversation I experience would go like this

Me: Hey I need an opinion, What do you think is more thrilling...hang gliding or base jumping?

HB: I don't know, base jumping...

ME: Well lets imagine it for a second. Your standing on top of a really tall building. Nothing but the cold air in your face, all your friends are waiting, anticipating...and suddently, you realize, your about the jump 80 stories above ground level. How would that make you feel?

HB: Yea, that sounds pretty crazy!

ME: Are you a crazy girl?

HB: When I want to be.

ME: And what do you want right now...nothing too weird btw, I just met you (smile)

HB: Umm...I don't know....

ME: Well let's play a game and find out....


And etc.

The key I believe, is understanding that the entire conversation about base jumping was long forgotten by this point. Words are trancient, the goal is the creation of a consistent motion.

Master that, and your game will improve.


Best of luck,
Purestylez
Author:  Diaz [ Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Don't really like opinion openers
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I haven't been sarging much (always get too drunk too quickly)
Maybe don't drink as much :wink:
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I don't really like opinion ones, I 'de rather use them after successfully opening. Hows this one tho? (this one would porbably be used when someone is lookin gat you...)

"Hey... hows your night goin?"

*girl says whatever she says*
Sorry to say man, but that is one of the most AFC openers available.. use some basic c&f instead, e.g. about her stalking you/being too shy to approach you etc.

Be more creative with situational openers than that.
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"My friends are being boring, so I thought I'de meet some new people"
It's not like your mom chooses your friends for you. Who chooses your friends? You do. Why would you pick boring friends? Having boring friends is a DLV.
Author:  The Chef [ Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:40 pm ]
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Yeah man, I agree with Diaz here. Don't ever insult your friends in a set. You are who you hang out with. So if your friends are boring YOU ARE boring.
Author:  Chief [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:33 am ]
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I'm a big fan of the mantra "It doesn't matter what your opener is."
Author:  Rye Lee [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:40 am ]
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I'm a big fan of the mantra "It doesn't matter what your opener is."
Ba-DING!

Completely agree with Chief. Although from a Mystery Method student's point of view, "How's your night goin'?" may sound AFC, but to me, that's a standard opener, right along with "Hi" and "Hey! How's it going?"
Author:  Chief [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:36 am ]
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I'm a big fan of the mantra "It doesn't matter what your opener is."
Ba-DING!

Completely agree with Chief. Although from a Mystery Method student's point of view, "How's your night goin'?" may sound AFC, but to me, that's a standard opener, right along with "Hi" and "Hey! How's it going?"
Hey since Brad likes drama or whatever, I'm going to disagree with you by disagreeing with me.

You're both so fucking wrong! *throws a chair at Rye Lee* Mystery is ALWAYS RIGHT!! You HAVE to open with an indirect opinion opener or else you're going to telegraph too much interest! Women can smell your neediness if you don't use OPINION OPENERS!!! The 7 hour rule totally exists.

OK OK Mystery is actually a good source of info.
Author:  joe412 [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:57 am ]
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I don't really like opinion openers either. I guess I had a few bad experiences with them in bars and clubs. like 2 years ago I used the who lies more opener and she said said "I don't know, is that your pick up line" I know how to handle this now but I still don't feel comfortable using them. Mehow uses a simple "hey, you guys seem fun, so I thought I would come over here and say hi". and he has massive success.
Author:  Rye Lee [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:40 am ]
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I'm a big fan of the mantra "It doesn't matter what your opener is."
Ba-DING!

Completely agree with Chief. Although from a Mystery Method student's point of view, "How's your night goin'?" may sound AFC, but to me, that's a standard opener, right along with "Hi" and "Hey! How's it going?"
Hey since Brad likes drama or whatever, I'm going to disagree with you by disagreeing with me.

You're both so fucking wrong! *throws a chair at Rye Lee* Mystery is ALWAYS RIGHT!! You HAVE to open with an indirect opinion opener or else you're going to telegraph too much interest! Women can smell your neediness if you don't use OPINION OPENERS!!! The 7 hour rule totally exists.

OK OK Mystery is actually a good source of info.
Yeah, well screw you man!

I'm sorry, but I have to agree with pretty much everything you just said and Mystery and now I'm gonna have to curb stomp you for misleading me earlier!

P.S. Even the women Mehow sleeps with think he's gay, he's not a valid role model...for anyone...ever....
Author:  Illusun [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:30 am ]
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I don't like opinion openers either. Here in Southern Cali they've been used into the ground. I feel sorry for any non PUAs who actually want someones opinion on something. The only time I think its good to use them is if you can actually demonstrate that you and your friends were actually having this conversation. For instance, If I'm sitting with my friends and I see a HB coming I'll say quietly to my friends "start laughing guys" and when they do I'll say loudly to them "There's no way! Watch, I'll prove it to you!" and I'll stop her and then ask. It appears genuine. But walking up to a girl and asking her opinion is right out of The Pickup Artist.
Author:  Chief [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:34 am ]
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Yeah, well screw you man!

I'm sorry, but I have to agree with pretty much everything you just said and Mystery and now I'm gonna have to curb stomp you for misleading me earlier!

P.S. Even the women Mehow sleeps with think he's gay, he's not a valid role model...for anyone...ever....
WTF why the hell are you agreeing with my disagreement of your agreement of what I said? I totally disagree.

*throws another chair at Rye Lee, but he ducks and the chair hits Mehow*

OHHHH SNAP :shock:

...hey you think this is going to be enough drama to revive Brad back from the dead?
Author:  Rye Lee [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:17 pm ]
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Yeah, well screw you man!

I'm sorry, but I have to agree with pretty much everything you just said and Mystery and now I'm gonna have to curb stomp you for misleading me earlier!

P.S. Even the women Mehow sleeps with think he's gay, he's not a valid role model...for anyone...ever....
WTF why the hell are you agreeing with my disagreement of your agreement of what I said? I totally disagree.

*throws another chair at Rye Lee, but he ducks and the chair hits Mehow*

OHHHH SNAP :shock:

...hey you think this is going to be enough drama to revive Brad back from the dead?
Well, if it's not, we could always just start shooting the hostages...err I mean members!


Lol, alright we'll stop hijacking your thread. I will say that opinion openers are great when you're in a set (could even just be you and your buddy standing together talking) and there is a set you want to open right beside you. You don't even have to do the "everyone laugh", just go over the shoulder to someone in the set and in a loud voice (cause you aren't moving, you're just turning and asking opinion while staying in your set) you ask them for their opinion on something that you may or may not have been talking about. They'll usually answer and be kinda curious what's going on, if they do, or if they are unsure why you're asking and don't answer, then you turn to the rest of your set and say, "SEE, blah blah blah" or "You see, me and my friend were talking about it and he thinks blah blah and I said, blah blah." Remember when you do this, unless there is no other way, don't give your buddies really stupid opinions on the topic, cause then you make them look dumb and that makes you look worse by comparison, just make their stance different than yours, which is going to be something your target said, or something that you can lead her into believing with a bit of discussion. This is an easy and highly effective way of merging sets, cause they end up joining yours in order to continue the conversation and you don't have to make false time constraints or anything like that, cause you didn't approach them.
Author:  Chief [ Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:22 am ]
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*kicks Rye Lee in the nuts and runs away to never post in this thread again*
Author:  d.humper [ Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:43 am ]
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So what are examples of non-opinion openers? I just don't feel like I can act natural when delivering these openers... What are some good non-opinion ones?

Also, by "my friends are being boring," it' only an excuse to walk away from my group of frds n talking with these people. That's usually whath appens anyway, my frds are pretty shy, I just walk off and do it myself. I'm thinking mostly two-sets... last time I saw these two staring at me... I didn't really know what to do, just walkin over and asking them wether a guy lies more or a girl? I think the "hey hows it goin" line would be sufficient.
Author:  Rye Lee [ Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:03 am ]
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So what are examples of non-opinion openers? I just don't feel like I can act natural when delivering these openers... What are some good non-opinion ones?

Also, by "my friends are being boring," it' only an excuse to walk away from my group of frds n talking with these people. That's usually whath appens anyway, my frds are pretty shy, I just walk off and do it myself. I'm thinking mostly two-sets... last time I saw these two staring at me... I didn't really know what to do, just walkin over and asking them wether a guy lies more or a girl? I think the "hey hows it goin" line would be sufficient.
Just walk up and start talking about the first thing that comes to mind. I've said all sorts of stuff that just popped into my head and often I was able to make it have some semblance of sense, but sometimes....not so much with the sense and they don't much care. They realise that you're a guy making the effort to talk to people and be friendly, while not being while not being a lecher (at least that's how most of us go about it and it works great, if you're a lecher, then you may have more trouble), so they'll cut you some slack if the first thing you say doesn't make much sense, they know you're probably nervous. Now that you've said something random, your brain has had a chance to think about something sensical and you can say that and move forward towards whatever topic of conversation you want.

Seriously, I know it seems like a big thing and your body makes you feel like it's a big thing and everyone fears talking to random people, but how many times in your life have you been walking along, or standing and turned and said to someone something like, "Hey, do you know how to get to ____?" or "It's a nice day out today!" or perhaps "Hey, you have time?" Tons of times! All the fucking time you say these things to people! These are really random things for someone to say to you out of the blue when you're just walking along, or standing and minding your own business, but no one cares! So say absolutely anything to someone as you're walking along, just whatever is on your mind and you're find out that they still don't care, usually people are so happy to interact with other humans (we're like addicted to it and go insane if we don't interact with people often enough, it's fucked), that they'll actually really enjoy talking to you about whatever utterly ridiculously random thing you said and often start talking more that you if you let them.

Go out and give this a try if you don't believe me. I've been doing it for ages and it can be a lot of fun to talk to random people, you learn a lot of neat things and you're blown away by how friendly most people really are and how they just wanna share their lives with you. Internalize that concept, now you're gonna have basically no AA and not care at all about the fact that you don't have "something good to say" and you're gonna be able to just talk to them about whatever pops into your head.

GO.
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