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Author:  turnofclass [ Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Is my theory BS or am I right on the money?
I have this theory & I want as many replies/opinions as possible:

When I meet average looking girls say 5-7/10 I can act the 'mean, bad boy, who talks dirty to them and makes his intention to f*ck her' kind of guy and I get what I want, usually pretty damn quick.

Now my problem is I seem to have this believe that girls ranging from 8-10/10 i.e. the models, don't appreciate this as much because they're classier. When I meet an average girl I talk dirty to them and can f close them rapidly and it's congruent (mainly cause of my alpha look). When I get IOI's of classier chicks and 10's (which does happen!) I kind of feel I need to hold back with the 'I'm going to f*ck you tonight' attitude and mindset. When I have told girls stuff like 'I'm going to f*ck you & you're going to love it' they go all wet and ask me to 'take me to your bed'

I know all girls like sex, even conservative looking ones and especially models - which was a sticking point once for me. Hell, I'm starting to believe all girls love sex and they'd love to have it with me!
Am I just finding the right girls who like being talked dirty to or has anyone experienced models/HB's/10's which are the higher class that also like being talked to dirty and treated like a ho by a bad boy who is the opposite of a needy clingy wuss?
Is this just an inner game issue of mine? Hope so cause I reckon I can get through that if it is.

The main question is : should I treat all women the same - regardless of desirability/hotness?

Like I say loads of opinions please!

Peace

Turnofclass
Author:  Pen1987 [ Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is my theory BS or am I right on the money?
Quote:

Now my problem is I seem to have this believe that girls ranging from 8-10/10 i.e. the models, don't appreciate this as much because they're classier. When I meet an average girl I talk dirty to them and can f close them rapidly and it's congruent (mainly cause of my alpha look). When I get IOI's of classier chicks and 10's (which does happen!) I kind of feel I need to hold back with the 'I'm going to f*ck you tonight' attitude and mindset. When I have told girls stuff like 'I'm going to f*ck you & you're going to love it' they go all wet and ask me to 'take me to your bed'

I know all girls like sex, even conservative looking ones and especially models - which was a sticking point once for me. Hell, I'm starting to believe all girls love sex and they'd love to have it with me!
Am I just finding the right girls who like being talked dirty to or has anyone experienced models/HB's/10's which are the higher class that also like being talked to dirty and treated like a ho by a bad boy who is the opposite of a needy clingy wuss?
Is this just an inner game issue of mine? Hope so cause I reckon I can get through that if it is.

The main question is : should I treat all women the same - regardless of desirability/hotness?

Like I say loads of opinions please!

Peace

Turnofclass
You ever see the film 'A beautiful mind'... Theres a scene in it where the main character 'Nash' goes to a bar with three buddies, all of whom work in a research firm where they study other peoples behaviour.
Anyway theyre all sitting around when this group of five women walk in. All the women are attractive but one of them is an absolute stunner, 12/10, amazing looking woman. The four guys look up at once and notice this AMAZING looking blonde woman. Then one comments 'right guys, lets go for this, we all go for the blonde, and according to Adam Smyths theory we will all help each other out and one of us will get her' (Adam Smyth is supposed to be some amazing sociology legend)... so the three guys, but not Nash agree to persue the stunning blonde as the theory tells them too.
Then Nash has a revelation. He realises that if they all went after the one blonde then its likely they will each cancel one anothers efforts out, instead of helping each other they'll overdo it and destroy each other. He then realises that once theyve each been rejected by the blonde they'll each try their luck with one of her friends. Hers friends will have seen them trying it with the blonde, refuse to be taken as second best and reject them aswell, so now theyve been rejected twice and none of them is going home happy.
Instead he tells them to each pick one girl from the group other than the blonde and persue her. This is because if they pick their second-choice first then that woman will be flattered she was picked over the blond and more open to attraction. So they all do this and the blonde stunning woman gets left on the shelf.

This happens in real interactions also, most men think 'she'd never be attracted to me', 'she wouldnt lower her standards to my level', 'shes out of my league' when they see a 9 or a 10, so they go for a target theyre more likely to be successful with. Hence the 9's and 10's only get approached by OVERLY-cocky guys and/or very drunk guys which she is never going to end up attracted too.

Therefore you should treat a 9/10 the exact same way as you treat a 6/7 in my opinion because she probably gets approached (in a non-sleazey way) a bit less than 7/8's do, due to her looks intimidating most guys. So she will probably be more open to a genuine interesting bloke coming and speaking to her in a fun not-drunken-stupor-like manner. (Unless shes totally up her own ass of course but hardly any are...)

BUT be careful with saying shit like 'I'm going to take you home and fuck you' because no matter what the standard of beauty, 6 or 10, that doesnt always work and if it bombs with any woman its a hard one to recover from (youre immeidiately classed a sleazeball). Tens dont come along all that often so risking a line like that and losing her is a lot worse that risking it on an 8 and losing her, there are plenty of 8's around, get me?
Author:  turnofclass [ Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:12 pm ]
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yes, I've seen the film. Russell's wife is hot in it and I can remember the scene you describe well. I would like to thank you for your SPOT ON reply by saying you should approach all women the same. I don't give a f*ck and detach from the outcome with most girls and I think oneitis kinda kicks in early on. I think this f*cks up my game as I think they feel 'I have him' and the challenge has gone for them. I feel like I'm cheating though if I have MLTR's - doesn't really stop me though!

Turnofclass
Author:  Facher [ Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:57 pm ]
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Calibration.

You have to use more negs on hot women, but fewer on the ugly ones.. else you'll crack their self-esteem.

Be alpha, but make sure to use proper game on diff chix.
Author:  wtfpwnage [ Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:16 pm ]
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Correction... Adam Smith is the father of modern day Economics
Author:  jurupa [ Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Is my theory BS or am I right on the money?
Quote:
The main question is : should I treat all women the same - regardless of desirability/hotness?
In short yes.

Quote:
You have to use more negs on hot women, but fewer on the ugly ones.. else you'll crack their self-esteem.
Flip this around and you got it. Average girls get hit on the most and therefore you need to neg them the most to get them. Compare to the hotter girls that get approach less and more likely have self esteem issues, so you need to use less negs on them. But if your a guy like me I tend to neg the hell out of any girl I talk to.
Author:  turnofclass [ Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:25 pm ]
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I have been gaming this chick online a HB8.5 and we've been exchanging pictures via text (you know the score!). Anyway on my last one I said 'are you looking for a POTENTIAL f*ck buddy?' - no answer.

So I call the chick today to ask her over the phone & it went onto voicemail. I thought 'should I leave a message' and the thought 'NO!'. Anyway I call another chick I'm gaming just so I could get over the disappointment! This went well.

Then I get a call from HB8.5
HB8.5 'you called me?'
ME: 'oh yes, I was wondering if you have considered my proposal?'
HB8.5 'Eh, what proposal?'
ME: 'I asked you if you want a f*ck buddy!'
HB8.5 'er, no, that wasn't me'
Me: 'You've probably just forgotten again, you and your shit memory!'
HB8.5 'No, that wasn't me you asked, you're thinking of someone else'
Me: 'ok, I'm asking you now!'
HB8.5 'asking me what?'
me: 'do you want to be my fuck buddy?'
HB8.5 'er, er, er, er, er, er, er...it's not that your not a good looking lad, you must have loads of them out there?'
Me: Laughing 'what do you want me to say to that?'
HB8.5 'er,er'
Me: 'are you looking for a relationship?'
HB8.5 'er'
Me: 'Tell you what - forget it!'
I then fluff talk about what she's doing tonight etc she says
HB8.5 'I'm going to have to go' which I hate them ending the convo so I say:
Me: 'I have to go too, see ya'
Hb8.5 'er, we will have to go out for a drink if you want?'
Me: 'Ok, see you later, bye'

I put the phone down and nearly wet myself laughing. I love this game! Treating all girls the same seems to work for me.

Peace

Turnofclass
Author:  Charlie Brown [ Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is my theory BS or am I right on the money?
Quote:
Quote:
The main question is : should I treat all women the same - regardless of desirability/hotness?
In short yes.

Quote:
You have to use more negs on hot women, but fewer on the ugly ones.. else you'll crack their self-esteem.
Flip this around and you got it. Average girls get hit on the most and therefore you need to neg them the most to get them. Compare to the hotter girls that get approach less and more likely have self esteem issues, so you need to use less negs on them. But if your a guy like me I tend to neg the hell out of any girl I talk to.
Though yor theory is sound, It goes against mPUA advise. This might be true more often than not maybe? My sister is about an HB8 and she says that the only people who approach are so beat down that they have nothing to lose. Good looking men almost never approach.

I understand what she says because I feel that women should approach me because i have above average looks. They almost never do unless it's a fool's mate. A fool's mate , but I lose because I never obtain higher quality women. thats why I'm here :)
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