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| Author: | reaper21 [ Sat Jul 05, 2008 6:24 pm ] |
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sup guys went clubbing yesterday with a few friends. met this girl at the bar , within a minute i already k-closed a few times. at this point i thought she was mine for the night. she then says that shes with her friend and cant leave her. so she gave me her email address and we went of to sarge some more, ended up being a fake email.... did i not build up enough attraction or something? thanks |
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| Author: | Solomon II [ Sat Jul 05, 2008 7:36 pm ] |
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This is a common mistake, I used to do this in my early days aswell. When you talk to a girl briefly and start making out with her, or you just approach and do it, it shows that you're sexually attracted to each other and because of this, her friends would assume (and rightly so) that you guys just want to hook up - it's fine if you take her home that night because "she was drinking and wasn't thinking straight" or "one thing led to another". However, if you don't do that and plan to meet up some other time then they will think less of her because she is actually planning to meet a guy she randomly made out with. That makes sense, right? You have to put yourself in her shoes and understand how girls think... her friends will think she wants to meet you just so she can fuck you, and when that sort of encounter is prearranged outside the context of a boy/girlfriend relationship it is seen as slutty. The way her friends see it is, if you organise to meet again after making out with her, the bottom line is that the meet is purely sexual because you have no respect for her otherwise you wouldn't have made out with her so soon. And that's a lesson in chick logic for you. So, that explains why she gave you a fake email address. Email is very impersonal anyway, you should get her number so you can call her in future. I've made out with girls on the dance floor as soon as I approached, and later gotten their numbers because I couldn't bring them home that night - of course, when I called them they'd flake because of anti-slut defense/buyers remorse. There are two solutions to this problem - knowing your logistics is imperative to your success. Firstly, if it isn't possible to bring her home, don't make out with her. Pretty simple. That way, her ASD won't be kicked into action and she won't have any hangups about meeting you again. Secondly, if she's alone or with a group of friends and you know she isn't tied to one of them (ie. is sharing a taxi with a particular girl later), make sure to take her home. If it's just 2 girls, forget about it unless you know they're both into you. They will stick together nomatter what and the obstacle will almost always get the better of her. However, this isn't always the case because sometimes they will both be into you - this is a double edged sword though. On the one hand, the obstacle may be happy for her friend to get with you because she'll expect you to stay in touch and she can muscle in on you aswell. However, if this is not the case she may be jealous and stand in the way if she feels like you're getting somewhere. As long as you keep the obstacle sweet and flirt with her a little aswell, you can avoid that happening - and if she's hot aswell, talk about a fucking bonus. |
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| Author: | reaper21 [ Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:06 pm ] |
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thanks Dalziel , really helpfull stuff, made alot of sense cheers mate |
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| Author: | Ezo [ Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:26 pm ] |
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A few minutes... That sounds too fast. I dont want to disencourage you man, great work getting the kiss, but you need to run solid game if you want something more to happen. Basically, she probably wanted to make out with someone and you were there looking good etc etc. You need to get real IOIs, build real attraction, show her that you are attracted to her, build comfort and trust... Then you can close. Kissing: It sometimes means "the end" After kissing there is just one way to step it up, thats sex. Some girls see kissing as the point before the point of no return. Kiss her too soon and you may scare her even though she enjoys it. |
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| Author: | Roads [ Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:15 am ] |
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Another approach is to quickly escalate, raise her buying temp, and bounce with her. Don't ask for her contact info, the only contact you'll be having is that night. So you're making out a few minutes into the set. She's probably a bit tipsy and horny, and she doesn't care if her friends see it at first. Seduction is the art of distraction. Keep her distracted, tease her, make her anticipate the next kiss and the next touch. While you're at it, make her "earn" your affections by getting her to qualify herself in some way. Make the conversation---or what little of it you're having during the makeout---increasingly sexual, but don't kino her in any of the sexual areas in the bar/club. Basically, overwhelm her logic with desire (i.e. make her really horny). Now tell her you know a place you two can go. She'll jump if you played this right. This can be done anywhere from 10 to 20 minutes, and I've seen pros get it within 5. By the way, if you are afraid of her buying temp dropping in transit to your place (you'll get huge LMR if the buying temp drops too much), find a place in or near the venue. |
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| Author: | reaper21 [ Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:57 am ] |
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much appreciated, thanks guys |
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