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Author:  Zharakov [ Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Deep Help Needed....
So this is my first time posting here and first of all cheers to all of you!

Now i need desperate help in one area i can't seem to figure out

So my internals are fixed, My non-verbal communication is great, Read Carlos Xuma's Dating Black Book and Secrets of the Alpha Man Book and i'm doing A-Okay..

BUT I feel like i have 2 kinds of "Modes" when conversing with Women.

One's like the "Analyzing Mode" were i basically "think" the whole time when conversing, how i'll move from 1 topic to another and the problem there is conversational threads don't pop-up NATURALLY, and i'm always fishing for a topic after a few convo exchanges.. (of course i also listen to her and use topics that she gives me)

The other one's like the "Natural Mode" where conversational threads just pop-up out of nowhere and i'm completely immersed in the present moment (if you read the book The Power of Now you'll know what i mean") and i don't really think that much and it all seems natural, here i NEVER run out of things to say with Women, But i don't get to use my methods and patterns, or i think they do pop-up and i just don't realize it since im immersed in the present moment...

My question is is it possible to be in that "Natural Mode" and use my Memorized material, Patterns and Methods? if so how?

Its such a big issue to me and this is the final step i believe to becoming the Man i truly am, Thanks in advance to anyone who helps me, any help is much appreciated :)
Author:  DJ_Z [ Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:07 pm ]
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why don't you do both? Structure is good if it helps you go in with a general plan, but the ability to improvise let's you handle anything that comes up randomly. It sounds like you use material without knowing how to actually close, and that will suck no matter what approach you use.
Author:  Zharakov [ Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:14 pm ]
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why don't you do both? Structure is good if it helps you go in with a general plan, but the ability to improvise let's you handle anything that comes up randomly. It sounds like you use material without knowing how to actually close, and that will suck no matter what approach you use.
I oddly can't, It's either i use one of those methods, i'm still able to improvise in the "Analyzing" Mode but it feels unnatural and like what i said, conversation threads don't pop-up naturally...

Hmmmm, Hey how bout you? which do you do? do you go in "Analyzing" all the time always thinking and planning what to do next or do you do it "Naturally" and be in the present moment and all your methods, structures, memorize materials seemingly pop-up?
Author:  DJ_Z [ Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:47 pm ]
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I do both because they aren't opposing forces. I know I want to accomplish small goals in a pickup, so I guide the interaction with. Hell the reason material feels unnatural for some guys is that they just randomly use it instead of actually practicing that style so that it becomes natural. Very little is automatic without practice when it comes to higher brain function ffa
Author:  Zharakov [ Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:05 pm ]
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I do both because they aren't opposing forces. I know I want to accomplish small goals in a pickup, so I guide the interaction with. Hell the reason material feels unnatural for some guys is that they just randomly use it instead of actually practicing that style so that it becomes natural. Very little is automatic without practice when it comes to higher brain function ffa
Ohh, Now it seems more clearer, Thank you..

I got a follow up question though. For me to use all of the pattern and techniques i learned, is it possible to just memorize them at home and write a couple of example conversations, then once the situation calls for that technique in a conversation, will it just "pop-up" in my head from my stock knowledge or subconscious? or do i have to go into a conversation keeping my focus on that specific technique while talking to the gal?
Author:  DJ_Z [ Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Deep Help Needed....
If you need to repeat a sentence in the mirror, do it. Just don't go out and assume a girl will follow an exact script. And yes, don't focus on getting laid at first you should be building a skillset
Author:  Zharakov [ Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Deep Help Needed....
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If you need to repeat a sentence in the mirror, do it. Just don't go out and assume a girl will follow an exact script. And yes, don't focus on getting laid at first you should be building a skillset
Mmmm, so i can just memorize my techniques at home, write a couple of examples using that said technique and it will just pop-up from my subconscious right?

Btw i have only a few memorized lines, I have alot of Techniques like, "Question against Question technique" when a girl asks me something like "Are you seing other women", or the "Humorous Retaliation" Technique that i use when a girl starts arguing with me..
Author:  DJ_Z [ Sat Apr 29, 2017 11:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Deep Help Needed....
I don't even know what those lines are, to be honest. I didn't take the time to memorize every technique of every system.

Pickup is a skill, and like any skill you get better by practicing fundamentals until they don't require much thought to do. If you want to get better with a musical instrument, you learn the basics of how to produce any note, then learn a scale, then run some basic drills either like an arpeggio (spelling) or a very basic song. Then as you get better you practice new things, then combine new things with what you already have. If you have to talk in front of a mirror for half an hour, fine. Then you go talk to women.

You see this as a conflict. I see it like playing a sport. A hockey team knows the rules entering a game: win by getting the most goals, earn goals by getting the puck in the net, certain actions are penalties and penalties allow power plays etc. The team will go to a strategy to try to win, but they also know that the other team has no intention of going along for the ride. So sure, it may all look improvised, but in reality there is a ton of practice and planning that goes into success in that or any sport.
Author:  puaninja [ Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:44 pm ]
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There's this guy who collects anvils, of all things. Antique ones are very expensive and hard to find. You have to explore and ask around to find them, put out a lot of feelers and whatnot. He said one strategy to getting leads is to make it a point so that any conversation he has with anyone, anvils come up.

So if you want to synthesize natural and memorized material modes, then you need to be adept at working the same topic into every conversation no matter how far afield it seems in relevance. Especially if you hit a lull or the conversation starts going down a path you don't want it to. Just be like "Ooh! Random subject change. What do you think about anvils?" The attention snap will jolt her back into whatever mode you want to engage her in and it will be kind of a funny interruption and a good way to transition to your other material.
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