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Does a path to Honesty equal a path to Success?
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Author:  Chunkook [ Sat Aug 06, 2016 9:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Does a path to Honesty equal a path to Success?
Here's the deal guys:

I'm a 20 y.o., decent looking, hopefully smart male. What I'm trying to say is that I don't lack in any area (humor, hygiene, figure, intelligence, confidence), but I'm no Michael Phelps or a Dostoevsky protege.

When I was younger I tended to lie about a lot of stuff to have sex with women, but some time ago
I started feeling like I didn't need to do so anymore. I've begun exercising an all-honesty approach to meeting girls:

I open directly, I show interest and my idea is to simply find out if I click with the girl and if she does with me - no games, no palm-reading, no cards, no nothing. I'm as open and honest as possible.
I escalate both emotionally and physically - I don't turn the women I meet to friends. I'm socially experienced and creating interesting conversations isn't a problem, nor is creating a sexual tension.

What the problem seems to be is that with the last 20 girls approached I've gotten an outstanding 80% denial, because they are either married or have boyfriends. The 3 married were obvious - I saw rings after approaching, so no worries there. But when out of 20 girls I manage to take 2 phone numbers, 2 turn out to be under aged, 3 - married and the rest (13) tell me they have boyfriends, I'm kinda bound to think that maybe something isn't happening the way it should be. Keep in mind that the excuses were precisely that they had boyfriends and they would still thank me for approaching and what not.

Now, obviously I'm not giving any concrete information on my game and you guys don't know me, so if you are skeptical towards me - that's understandable. I actually wanted to ask you to tell me, honestly, what are your success - fail ratios? Would you say that what I'm experiencing is normal and that I've simply had a though luck (you know - the planets weren't aligned, thus I was downed 10-12 times in a row :D or some sh*t like that)?

Thanks
Author:  Warped Mindless [ Sat Aug 06, 2016 11:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does a path to Honesty equal a path to Success?
Not a big enough sample size. Approach 100 women the old way and then 100 women the new way using honesty and compare how many lays from each. Truthfully even 100 is to small of a smaple size due to all the other outside factors but after 100 for each you will have an idea of what works for you.
Author:  Chunkook [ Sun Aug 07, 2016 9:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Does a path to Honesty equal a path to Success?
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Not a big enough sample size. Approach 100 women the old way and then 100 women the new way using honesty and compare how many lays from each. Truthfully even 100 is to small of a smaple size due to all the other outside factors but after 100 for each you will have an idea of what works for you.
Thanks.
Author:  galist [ Sun Aug 07, 2016 3:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does a path to Honesty equal a path to Success?
lying will always get you more success. women lie
Author:  VitaBrevis [ Sun Aug 07, 2016 4:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does a path to Honesty equal a path to Success?
The problem with being honest to others is that it's rarely reciprocated. Everyone's bullshitting on some level. Take a look at Facebook to see what I mean. It's not insidious usually, more a "front" than trying to con.

Problem here seems to be you're embracing the noble virtue of honesty and confused that the Universe isn't rewarding you for it with pussy. That's never going to happen, so if you're doing it for that reason alone then find a new strategy. If you're doing it because it's the right thing to do by your character then keep it up, I salute you, but remember bad things happen to good people too.
Author:  galist [ Sun Aug 07, 2016 4:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does a path to Honesty equal a path to Success?
if you have tremendous value over her, the truth might not hurt your chances. but thats a small might.

thats why so many women get catfished, they want the Fantasy Man
Author:  Chunkook [ Sun Aug 07, 2016 11:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does a path to Honesty equal a path to Success?
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The problem with being honest to others is that it's rarely reciprocated. Everyone's bullshitting on some level. Take a look at Facebook to see what I mean. It's not insidious usually, more a "front" than trying to con.

Problem here seems to be you're embracing the noble virtue of honesty and confused that the Universe isn't rewarding you for it with pussy. That's never going to happen, so if you're doing it for that reason alone then find a new strategy. If you're doing it because it's the right thing to do by your character then keep it up, I salute you, but remember bad things happen to good people too.
Damn, I do feel that a bit. Good to hear it out loud from someone else.
So what about your results? My questions about other people's success' weren't just a formality.
Author:  Arch Stanton [ Sun Aug 07, 2016 11:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does a path to Honesty equal a path to Success?
I am 100% honest with women, to the point of being shocking (in a nice way, not mean).

I have found they find this completely refreshing, and open up much faster.

It's the guys who hide their intentions (flowers, expensive dinner dates, ass-kissing, pretending to care about the conversation, etc) that seem to have trouble.
Author:  Chunkook [ Mon Aug 08, 2016 7:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Does a path to Honesty equal a path to Success?
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I am 100% honest with women, to the point of being shocking (in a nice way, not mean).

I have found they find this completely refreshing, and open up much faster.

It's the guys who hide their intentions (flowers, expensive dinner dates, ass-kissing, pretending to care about the conversation, etc) that seem to have trouble.
Nice to hear that.

I'm supposing that works well both ways - with them opening up faster, both of you can find out quickly if you click/like each other?
How do you go demonstrate sexual interest? I, since I'm trying to be as honest as possible too, don't hide my intentions or try to mask them under some pushing-pulling tactics - I simply escalate both verbally and physically. Obviously I do adjust depending on the girl's responses to my advances (I don't want to scare her/bore her), since I DO want her, if we've clicked. What about you?
Author:  Mr. Assertive [ Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does a path to Honesty equal a path to Success?
Depends on what you're honest about. I usually don't talk about my polyamory status because I'll probably always lose in the beginning. I sprinkle the status here and there throughout the relationship however. Little by little the honesty seeps out
Author:  DJ_Z [ Mon Aug 08, 2016 9:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Does a path to Honesty equal a path to Success?
To answer the titular question: no, and it's overrated.
Author:  Chunkook [ Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Does a path to Honesty equal a path to Success?
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Depends on what you're honest about. I usually don't talk about my polyamory status because I'll probably always lose in the beginning. I sprinkle the status here and there throughout the relationship however. Little by little the honesty seeps out
Understandable. Being honest doesn't mean being an open book with all its secrets available to a random stranger. I'm talking about how one projects himself in terms of showing interest, willingness to share something semi-attractive about himself, or in other words - the idea of being human, not a man-god lookalike - the way most PUAs project themselves.
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To answer the titular question: no, and it's overrated.
'Sigh'. So if my title was "hi", you'd answer with a "hello"?
Author:  Jay (Majik) [ Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Does a path to Honesty equal a path to Success?
Being honest or lying will work to get you laid. It doesn't matter. The success rate is probably about the same too..

The difference in being honest and lying about shit is that you'll feel better about yourself being honest about your intentions when the girl rejects you. Vs using some bullshit line that some one told you would work. If the "line" or "routine" doesn't work for you, but it works for other people, you're going to start to feel like YOU are the problem. Being honest is better for YOUR self esteem.
Author:  R.C [ Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Does a path to Honesty equal a path to Success?
There's a difference between being an honest blunt force caveman and an honest charming dude.

Maybe you're coming off too strong? It's fine to be honest. Don't be threatening tho.
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