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Author:  stundent2 [ Tue Sep 29, 2015 3:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Too much kino? 1st date mistakes

Received IOI's from a girl (looking at me from distance or when I was passing by, several times), so I asked her out. We met at a pub. The beginning was not so good, I was a bit nervous and I think I acted like an AFC, because the conversation wasn't fun but a bit serious - default AFC question&answers talking e.g. Why do you chose to study there, where do you work etc. I tried to lighten up the mood and told her to sit next to me, but she didn't say anything and blushed. From my observations she was shy, because she didn't answer uncomfortable questions. After finishing a beer we went outside and just walked around the city. I offered to play pool but she didn't want to. While we were walking I tried to walk as close as possible, my arm 90% of time was touching hers, or her back, at the same time I was making banter talk and teased her. Several times she started to walk very fast, then I touched her back or arm, slightly pull and told not to rush while smiling, to which she didn't reply, and I couldn't tell if she liked when I touch her, however I continued to do it. At the end we were at the park, it was a nice place and I wanted to kiss close, but she was avoiding me. Whenever I was coming closer she walked to other place, pretending she was checking around the place. Then she said she wants to go home. I wanted to at least hug her, but she quickly walked away, just waving her hand. Now when I see her she pretends she doesn't see me, and avoids isolation with me, however I see her sometimes looking at me from distance, when she thinks I don't see her. I wrote her in fb after this, but she didn't reply. I can't figure out if she is very shy, or I creeped her out during the date. She wasn't that great looking, so I'm not disappointed. I want to know what did I do wrong, so that I don't make the same mistakes anymore.
My theory is I didn't build enough comfort and started kino too soon, but I don't know, I'm not a PUA yet.

Tl'dr. Went on a date, 90% of time was touching her, after date not responding.

Author:  Dragula [ Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Too much kino? 1st date mistakes

The physical connection for you sounds like a super intense amount of pressure. I can tell by your words that you just put so pressure into this and thus repels her. Girls can feel the pressure you're feeling.

Then, it got worse and worse throughout the date but she was too polite to cut the date short.

Sounds like you need to have a weekend of hitting a night club and practise your physical escalation on complete strangers. That way, when it comes to your actual dates, you will have some skill, comfort and competence to making the physical connection smoothly.

Let me keep physical escalation simple for you, your goal for the date is to hold her hand. All this incidental kino crap is about as useful as a chocolate fire extinguisher. If she will hold your hands you will be able to kiss her and she will give you enough compliance to follow you everywhere, including your place.

Get back to basics, you got the IOI and you capitalised and closed. But, your chat was poor and was serious. You can do better then that and then do the above I talked about about escalating.

Author:  R.C [ Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Too much kino? 1st date mistakes

Quote:
Received IOI's from a girl (looking at me from distance or when I was passing by, several times), so I asked her out. We met at a pub. The beginning was not so good, I was a bit nervous and I think I acted like an AFC, because the conversation wasn't fun but a bit serious - default AFC question&answers talking e.g. Why do you chose to study there, where do you work etc. I tried to lighten up the mood and told her to sit next to me, but she didn't say anything and blushed. From my observations she was shy, because she didn't answer uncomfortable questions. After finishing a beer we went outside and just walked around the city. I offered to play pool but she didn't want to. While we were walking I tried to walk as close as possible, my arm 90% of time was touching hers, or her back, at the same time I was making banter talk and teased her. Several times she started to walk very fast, then I touched her back or arm, slightly pull and told not to rush while smiling, to which she didn't reply, and I couldn't tell if she liked when I touch her, however I continued to do it. At the end we were at the park, it was a nice place and I wanted to kiss close, but she was avoiding me. Whenever I was coming closer she walked to other place, pretending she was checking around the place. Then she said she wants to go home. I wanted to at least hug her, but she quickly walked away, just waving her hand. Now when I see her she pretends she doesn't see me, and avoids isolation with me, however I see her sometimes looking at me from distance, when she thinks I don't see her. I wrote her in fb after this, but she didn't reply. I can't figure out if she is very shy, or I creeped her out during the date. She wasn't that great looking, so I'm not disappointed. I want to know what did I do wrong, so that I don't make the same mistakes anymore.
My theory is I didn't build enough comfort and started kino too soon, but I don't know, I'm not a PUA yet.

Tl'dr. Went on a date, 90% of time was touching her, after date not responding.
Overdoing it is just as bad as not doing it.

You have to develop sort of a feel for these things. In the sense that if she's shy you need calibrate your "aggression" if you're willing to put up with that. At the same time if she's really outgoing you can escalate things much faster.

Right tool for the right job. Get it?

Anyway, you wrote, so let her reply. But she was definitely feeling uncomfortable.

Author:  stundent2 [ Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Too much kino? 1st date mistakes

Quote:
The physical connection for you sounds like a super intense amount of pressure. I can tell by your words that you just put so pressure into this and thus repels her. Girls can feel the pressure you're feeling.

Then, it got worse and worse throughout the date but she was too polite to cut the date short.

Sounds like you need to have a weekend of hitting a night club and practise your physical escalation on complete strangers. That way, when it comes to your actual dates, you will have some skill, comfort and competence to making the physical connection smoothly.

Let me keep physical escalation simple for you, your goal for the date is to hold her hand. All this incidental kino crap is about as useful as a chocolate fire extinguisher. If she will hold your hands you will be able to kiss her and she will give you enough compliance to follow you everywhere, including your place.

Get back to basics, you got the IOI and you capitalised and closed. But, your chat was poor and was serious. You can do better then that and then do the above I talked about about escalating.
I didn't feel pressure, I just thought that if she gets used to my touch, the faster I can lay her. How do you advise to escalate? I'm not very good at this and don't understand how much is too much and how much is not enough. I only know that I'm the man and I set the pace, and for me the right pace was to get laid as soon as possible (maybe I don't have correct thinking). Should I just wait until she hints that she wants to be touched? I can't just grab her hand out of the blue, right?
Yeah, the chat was poor at the beginning, but after one beer I was relaxed and could easilty tease/banter her. I think next time I'll do better.
Quote:
Overdoing it is just as bad as not doing it.

You have to develop sort of a feel for these things. In the sense that if she's shy you need calibrate your "aggression" if you're willing to put up with that. At the same time if she's really outgoing you can escalate things much faster.

Right tool for the right job. Get it?

Anyway, you wrote, so let her reply. But she was definitely feeling uncomfortable.
Ok, next time I'll know. I just didn't want to be one of the Nice Guys, who don't show physical attraction.

Author:  Monsignor Crisanto [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Too much kino? 1st date mistakes

You need to learn about escalation rhythm.

It's like this:

Two steps forward. One step backward. Two steps forward. One step backward.

So when you hold her hand and eyefuck her, let it go for several minutes. She'll anticipate you holding her hand again. Then you hold her hand again and eyefuck her. This time it's a little bit longer than the first. Do this several times until you feel her subtly rubbing her breast at your arm or elbow.

When you start to feel anyone of those nipples, you repeat the escalation rhythm as covertly as you can on her breast until she has no resistance whatsoever when you isolate her to your apartment.

Author:  Dragula [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Too much kino? 1st date mistakes

Quote:
You need to learn about escalation rhythm.

It's like this:

Two steps forward. One step backward. Two steps forward. One step backward.

So when you hold her hand and eyefuck her, let it go for several minutes. She'll anticipate you holding her hand again. Then you hold her hand again and eyefuck her. This time it's a little bit longer than the first. Do this several times until you feel her subtly rubbing her breast at your arm or elbow.

When you start to feel anyone of those nipples, you repeat the escalation rhythm as covertly as you can on her breast until she has no resistance whatsoever when you isolate her to your apartment.

Jeez! So specific! - I feel the noobs reading this will not progress until a girl is rubbing her tits in his face...

Author:  R.C [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Too much kino? 1st date mistakes

Quote:
Jeez! So specific! - I feel the noobs reading this will not progress until a girl is rubbing her tits in his face...
Maybe not even then.

Remember that thread about the guy denying his girl sex?

lol

Author:  Monsignor Crisanto [ Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Too much kino? 1st date mistakes

Quote:
Jeez! So specific! - I feel the noobs reading this will not progress until a girl is rubbing her tits in his face...
Lol.

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