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Author:	thorsten [ Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:41 am ]
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So i went camping with this girl i met a week ago. It was an alright trip. she drank a little, and then started to feel bad. she calls me into her tent. we start talking, and then she goes. "I have a serious question for you. so i told her to ask it. she goes, are you a bisexual?" I am not gonna lie, that was the last thing i expected to hear. I didn't even know what to say. I just looked at her for a second and said, "what the fuck? no, i am straight. what?" so the rest of the night she is hanging on me and talking about how we should be dating.She gave me a lot of kino. She went to sleep eventually, and i went and sat in my truck. when she awakend, she came and got in with me. we talked, and i asked her where she pulled that question from. she said her reason was beacuse she wanted to know that she was safe. her thinking was that if i was bi, then i wouldn't try to take advantage of her. Since i am straight, and i didn't then everything is ok. we continued talking, and she went on to mention how i have not made a move on her. so i asked if i should have, and she just avoided answering that question. All of this is happend friday night. I know i should have done something, but it didn't seem right. she was a lil intoxicated that night. i guess i could have done something that morning. She called me sunday, and she wanted me to do camping again. ( she found out about the second trip through a friend) So went for round two. She gave me more kino. lots of hand holding, and ioi's. We started to salsa, and i was gonna teach her to fox trot. Everyone got mad, so she wanted to finish later. later, my wing said that i had to grab her breasts to prove i wasnt bi. i cleared it with her, and i did. so like 15 minutes later she is still sitting on my lap; and she turns to me and says " we will have sex so you can say you had an asian." SO i am just like ok. Gotta see how that works out.The thing is, i don't know how to approach her. She is all about the chase, but she loses interest once she knows she has you. I am trying to figure out how not to play into it. She is pretty well in touch with the game, so i am really having to think with her. I figured out last night that i have to be really comanding with her. THats all i got though. Guys, idk what to do with this one. please help me out. I thought i was on my way out of my afc days, but this has been a bit of a reality check. I might be on my way to a ljbf, but i have a feeling that i can pull myself out of this one. I have been doing cocky funny, i have done a pretty good job of building comfort, and i think i have built attraction. I just need to make everything click for her, without it registering in a way that would disqualify me. So please give me your advice on all of this. WHat do you guys think about that question? she has done a good job of throwing me off.

Author:	Impact [ Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:59 am ]
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Just my opinion. It sounds to me like shes trying to quallify you, and make you jump over her hoops, shes throwing ALOT of shit tests at you. You have to fight them off with proper game and dont fall in the traps. I have a serious question for you. so i told her to ask it. she goes, are you a bisexual Red flag!, thats not right! Your just a interesting fun guy thats keeping her happy, where on earth did bisexual come from? In this situation you shouldve thrown it back at her instead of loosing your cool like you just did - > "what the fuck? no" You DLV right here! You shouldve responded with cocky funny, or thrown it back at her! The rest of the night she is hanging on me and talking about how we should be dating. Sounds to me like shes trying to test you see if you will step in and be a man. Shes trying to see if she can ride the horse and be in control, dont let her. Another shit test from her. so i asked if i should have, and she just avoided answering that question You DLV again! why are you asking her? your alpha male! You tell her how it is, she follows, thats what she wants... asking her if you should have? common. to grab her breasts to prove i wasnt bi. Doing that is jumping over her hoop. Kino isnt warented, you dont need to prove yourself. Proving yourself means you have lower value. I have been doing cocky funny, i have done a pretty good job of building comfort, and i think i have built attraction. Sounds like you have, just watch for those shit tests! hope this helps -Impact

Author:	thorsten [ Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:53 am ]
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That helps a lot, but there is a slight change in things. My friends girl sent her a text saying: "I need to know where we stand. i am not just trying to get in your pants, i really like you." Well, we had a 3 hour conversation as a result of that text. To sum it up, she is scarred that one of us will mess it up; and we will stop talking. she thinks it will end up like her other relationships. I still see that i have to take control, but it feels like i have lost the upper hand. you know? I will be seeing her on saturday, cuz its our friends bday. i have a feeling that she is gonna make things really interesting. This is based off of her saying that she was gonna try somethin to make me not like her. This girl is so weird. SHe throws me all these ioi's and kino. we talk and i cant get her to say no. It seems like she is waiting on me to do something, but i don't know what to do know. How am i supposed to build comfort in that area, and still keep the game up; when almost everything is out in the open? I just feel the need to get her. It isn't oneitis or anything like that. She just seems like this challenge that i need to beat. I also think that is what is causing some of the attraction i have to her. I deff gotta re-play our interactions and correct my mistakes.

Author:	requiem [ Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:46 pm ]
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it sounds to me like she has the mental block of needing to be in a relationship to have sex with a guy. i think you first need to answer the question "do you want to be in a relationship with her?". if yes, then i think there's enough there in the open that says you both are interested. if a relationship isn't what you're after, then i say walk away. if she follows, great. good friend, very workable pivot, quite possible that your disinterest motivates her to get over her "must have relationship for sex" block in order to keep your interest. if you walk and she doesn't follow, there's millions of other girls out there who look just as good, are just as much fun, but don't throw shit tests at you like it's thier job or have major hangups about having sex. just remeber that YOU"RE the prize. she might earn the priveledge of your attention, not the other way around. good luck man.

Author:	thorsten [ Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:41 am ]
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Thanks for the help. I understand what you are saying. My question now, is how do i get back into a position of control? At this point, she has cut of my balls. It is a lil over the top now. We were talking on the phone a couple of days ago, and then she decides to talk to me on aim and the phone. I felt like an ass. Yesterday was our friends birthday, and we went in seperate cars. She called me about an hour in advance to see what time i was gonna get there. Then she wanted me to check (call her) once i got there. I deff didn't do that. Well, the party was interesting. It was clear that she was toying with me. She would run up and jump on me, then go off and start talking to some other guys. She gives me that i wanna have sex with you look from across the room, and then she does that tounge slide across the lips. I look at her and i just give her a little head nod to the side, (just to say ok). Next thing i know, she is all up on these other guys. not in the same way she is up on me, but she was doin a lot of push pull. I ofcourse get a lil irritated, but it wasn't obvious; except to my friends when i was just like "screw this, this is not even cool." anyway, she gives me some shit, and does cat string on me, and makes me feel like the biggest ass to ever exist. so i gave in to that, cuz otherwise the rest of my night would have sucked. So after i gave on that, everything was chill. I can see where she was coming from. so i leave the party and go to my friends house. i am relaxing by the fire, and guess who calls. i answer, and she asks me what i was doing and if i was gonna go to my other friends house. I told her i wasn't sure. and then she starts talking about how she just got home and was tired. After you cut through the b.s in the convo, it boils down to her calling to say good night. I have no control now. Only thing i can think of doing is just not talking to her, unless she calls or somethin. I seriously have to come out on top of this one. This girl is really out gaming me, and it is killing me. The sad part is that i don't recognize all of her stuff until i remove myself from whats going on, and actually think about it. Then i realize that i am looking like a total afc.

Author:	jacked [ Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:42 am ]
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Be honest and tell her you hate girls who don't know what they want, and that she seems like the type that knows what she wants just like yourself. And once she acts like a tease again by pulling you around, just go back into the image you gave her of by saying, "I thought you were cool, I thought you were the type that knew what you wanted and gets it." See how she changes her flirting. This is definitely a credit to Mystery Method.

Author:	thorsten [ Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:07 am ]
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ok, so i just used that on her. She goes, " i am capable of making a decision, i am just not capable of sharing that." I ask why, she goes" i don't share important decisions."

Author:	thorsten [ Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:16 am ]
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skip it, i am pulling out on this one. on to the next one

Author:	jacked [ Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:03 am ]
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good job. cutt your losses. First person I have seen to say "skip it" most ppl say how do I recover crap. Recovering is AFC. Good job .

Author:	thorsten [ Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:24 am ]
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thank you, lol. You know whats funny though? That conversation was sunday night. And it ended with me saying i wasn't going to argue with her, and then just saying good night. Since then, she called me tuesday, wednesday, and thursday. we talked every time, cuz i really don't care to try freeze out or anything. She calls me at 1pm today(sunday), cuz it had been so long since we talked, and she really wanted to talk to me. funny no? she couldn't make it two days without talking to me. The convo ended with her wanting me to call her if i go out tonight. lol. gotta love these girls.

Author:	jacked [ Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:04 am ]
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Women are funny creatures bro. Just be careful, this girl you are speaking to sounds like she is definitely into being chased, most women do of course thats not something unique. Just don't fall for her bullshit, and her telling you TO CALL, is another way of her trying to take control of her womanhood trick. Funny how she is calling you now lol. Bro you got a little control right now so don't push it overboard by being overly aggressive, because remember she still liked you, for who you were at the beginning. But she definitely wants a man with balls, and isn't afraid to make her feel good. Whats funny was in my college class on Friday, I was sitting at a table with female friends and guys. There was a break and I didn't go because I had to catch up on work so I decided to stay while my male friends headed out to get some coffee. These girls stayed, because they got into some conversation about some dude one of them was interested in. They immediately added me to the conversation, and I was surprised as to what they were disliking about this guy, one of the HB'S were into. I mean this HB was hating on the guy for not HAVING the balls to make moves on her. She basically said how she was disgusted about this dude's nervousness, and she could feel that he was interested. I laughed telling her how fucked up she was because she admitted liking the guy, but was turned off by his passiveness, and shyness. This bitch was so serious too I then just went back to minding my own business. They tried to make me agree with them, but I didn't and I probably should of because now they were trying to push the conversation, and at this point I had no interest in it. I got what I needed from the convo, that women are mentally sick. What's funny is that she was still interested in the guy because he didn't show her too much interest like a guy calling a girl every second, or trying to have sex to weak like regular AFC's. I believe she will forget about her attraction to this nervous wreck of a guy quickly as soon as some PUA hits her up. I am past AFC but still far from PUA. So the convo humbled me. Oh and bro, One routine that has been working like a charm is the JEALOUS GIRLFRIEND. hands down I think its the best canned material in my arsenal.

Author:	thorsten [ Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:47 am ]
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Jacked, i love your posts man. lol. No problem, i didn't bother to call her back. I honestly don't feel like wasting my time chasing her. if somethin develops, fine. I forgot to mention a couple of things that came up in convo. She wants me to go out with her on her 18th bday, in a two weeks. She wants me to take her to one of the hookah bars that i go to. If i go to a party that night, she wants to come. she will ditch her friends if i don't like them.She wants to get a tattoo with me the next time i get one. Oh yeah, and she wants me to meet one of her old friends when they come to town. She called today, and we talked for a bit. I cut the convo short and told he ri would call her later. Today has been an odd day. Random girls that i used to talk to have been contacting me. My old case of oneitis sent me texts this morning. The shocker though, was a girl that liked me my freshman year of high school found me on myspace. Crazy history with her. she ate my ass when i went for her friend instead of her. she pretty much chased me out of the school that year. lol. it was a pleasent suprise though.

Author:	jacked [ Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:07 am ]
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Hey thorsten I didn't say don't chase her entirely man lol. Women like to be chased, thats the whole process of fucking them. Don't get it twisted lol, if you dont' give a little chase they will feel you really aren't interested and most of your gains could backfire. The girl wants you to come to her bday, and ditch it for you!!! lol Now talk about an IOI. Why wait, I understand you are cocky now you got the other girls lol, but you probably already know you could fuck-close this chick pretty soon. Whats the weather like where you are at thorsten. Thorsten her wanting you to meet her friends is a good IOI but that scares me a little lol. You could have different balls in this situation than I do. But my balls are telling me that she is trying to get more approval from her friends, and see if they like you. You should just try and fuck her before the BDay or on it, but between try and build kino with this girl so that just in case you DON'T get along with her friends, she will have invested too much time into you to not bail out on your relationship. I'm very pestimistic man I don't trust this meet my friends bullshit, and i'll ditch them for you. Because seriously how long has she known you, and how long have you known her. Woman are cold to their friends, but for a short relationship they won't ditch their girls especially on their BDays for a guy they met less than a month. Unless you made her invest alot of thought, and time into you already. You know one of those bitches who say, "But you just don't understand, I can't explain what he means to me, you just won't understand". While all her friends probably see right through you lol. HE'S A DOGG

Author:	thorsten [ Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:04 pm ]
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Man, i'll say it again, I love reading your stuff. I left out that she wants me to go to a concert with her in a couple months. Yeah, she is giving mad IOI's. I like your reality check for me. I am ready to write her off, but I do feel like i could fuck-close. That would be nice ( and about damn time). No clue what to do to get her there though. The weather? Man, it is perfect here. Its sunny and like 70 degrees fahrenheit outside. lol. I feel you on the friends thing, but I think I can handle it. They can't be that bad I can be charming. lol. We have known eachother for three or four weeks. I guess I did something right. She is still confusing in my book though.

Author:	jacked [ Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:28 am ]
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Keeping doing what you are doing, just take everyone's advice for a grain of salt. Nobody is truly perfect in game. I hope you the best of luck, and if you feel to share a technique's with us all go ahead. Give advice you use though Like games I been playing with lately have been psychology games I remember Xfman introducing me too on this forum. At first I thought psychology games were gay, but I was surprised that these chicks are into this BS when I use em lol. You will always get the response of, "I think you are cool, unique from all the other guys I met". It makes you stand out, I don't use Cube because I don't have the patience for that game I think its too long. Ya so share, and analyse and try and help other AFC's. Help the community.

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