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Author:  Tändelei [ Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:40 pm ]
Post subject:  How do you differentiate good from bad advice without having
to try everything out?

If you try it out, how many times do you need to try it out to verify whether it is working or not?
Author:  oceanx [ Sun Dec 21, 2014 3:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: How do you differentiate good from bad advice without ha
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How do you differentiate good from bad advice without having to try everything out?
You get a good base of experience. When you do this, you maybe only test out only a handful of new ideas per year, the ones that sound promising based on your existing base of knowledge and experience.
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If you try it out, how many times do you need to try it out to verify whether it is working or not?
Once or twice. You slip the idea or a version of it into your existing repertoire and if it works well you keep or play around with it and modify it a bit; it if it's indifferent or not working you drop it.
Author:  Versalis [ Sun Dec 21, 2014 4:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do you differentiate good from bad advice without ha
One really fast way is to look at the person suggesting it(if we're talking about "gurus").

Does this guy seem like a cool guy? If no, immediately reject him and everything he has to say. He may be right about some stuff, but it's not worth bothering with.

That prevents you from getting into the absolute garbage like Ross Jefferies, Vince Kelvin and David Deangelo.

Beyond that, does this strike you as counter intuitive? If so, it probably is. The number of things that make no sense, and actually work, are small. Very small. For instance, if a girl says you're going too fast, agree with her, and keep doing it. That's not completely intuitive to me, but it does make some rational sense.

Another thing to keep in mind, is what a small role the words coming out of your mouth play. Yeah, they matter, but it's much more what you do, than what you say. And simplicity usually beats complexity. Saying "Yeah, that's pretty cool. I feel the same way." can be a much better reply than some long winded story about some vaguely related awesome thing you did.

I think the most important thing to keep in mind, is that seduction is actually pretty simple. Yes, there are advanced things you can learn, but they're mostly effective when added on to strong fundamentals. Fundamentals are about 2/3 of the interaction and all you need to get laid. Learning the other 1/3 is time consuming and doesn't produce good results, unless the fundamentals are handled.

Fundamentals are basically your looks, style, vibe, body language, tonality, ability to discern a woman's interest, escalation, logistics.
Everything else you can learn, will play only a supportive role to these major things. And honestly, few if any people who are really good with women, master that extra 1/3 because it's not worth the time and effort(only get half way there or less).
Author:  dtrak [ Sun Dec 21, 2014 5:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do you differentiate good from bad advice without ha
I agree with the above poster

Take on a Role Model(s)

If you dig the guru, go for it, but use your own head also

Theres many people giving advice, i'd go with the advice that resonates with me the most

I got good at this by doing just that, you must be a good student first ;)

In my opinion the most relevant gurus in pick up right now are RSD Tyler for deep shit and RSD in general has good noobie principles

In my opinion everyone else is just a spawn trying to do the same shit lol

But if you dig someone elses shit, like mines, go for it

I personally been in the community since the rise of "The game"

and i seen this shit go from that to what it is today, so , yes there are other gurus out there that are not mere copy cats and use there own heads

So my point is
Check out
-RSDtyler
-Also Marni the female wingwoman has good advice on youtube from a female perspective
-and also DaygameTV are fucking awsome dudes that give great advice check that out too on youtube
and Tom Toreros Channel is clean as fuck too, dude is ugly but gets the job done.

I also have a blog but is pretty new, but feel free to check it out too
Author:  Tändelei [ Sun Dec 21, 2014 6:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do you differentiate good from bad advice without ha
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One really fast way is to look at the person suggesting it(if we're talking about "gurus").
I am talking about forum users.
Author:  neo87 [ Sun Dec 21, 2014 6:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do you differentiate good from bad advice without ha
More times you test something = more girls you talk to = more experience with girls. As oceanx said, take advice and weigh it against what you know. But if you don't know much test things out.Accept that you're going to look like a creep, player, a guy trying to fuck, all kinds of other bad stuff with random girls. That's why I'd recommend MM for new guys, because it's probably the only thing I know of that deals with the most important part of learning game ie PRACTICE. I meet too many newbies who read 60 or whatever else who brag about how they flirt with their 45year old coworker or a friend of a friend one time. Go out. Practice. Test stuff out. See what works and what doesn't.

I'd go against V's advice about the gurus but I can kinda see what he's talking about. But there are way too many fake gurus out there. The above poster mentioned Tyler which V has already called out as a failure at getting results. Tom T had fake infield. So while it's good to make sure the guy is relatively normal, don't get caught up with the hype. Take the advice, try it a ton of times. If you care about losing girls, then you're not trying to get better with women, you're trying to get laid a few times and settle down. Fine if you are but if that's the case find a girl on match. The quote Sinn (who is a spammer himself) the problem with most guys is they just dont approach enough. Approach more, practice more. See what works and what doesn't work CONSISTENTLY. Not once or twice.
Author:  hugge [ Sun Dec 21, 2014 7:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do you differentiate good from bad advice without ha
You need to compare the advice to your own experience, either experience from your past or new, by testing the advice. If you have an analytical mind you can do as I did, twist and turn every advice, look at it from all angles and ask questions about it (which you try to find the answer to). Here are a few examples on how I analyzed some stuff.

Compliance tests, from Mystery Method.

Theory: Test the girl's compliance by giving her small tasks. If she follows your command, consider it an IOI and that you are on the right track.

Experience: Girls can comply just because they want to be polite, or because they can't say no.

Conclusion: Compliance tests are worthless shit. The only thing they can answer is if girls do NOT like you, but such disinterest is already obvious by her body language, facial expressions etc.

Various "techniques", such as push & pull

Question: Where do those techniques come from? What are they supposed to accomplish?

Answer: By copying the behaviour from naturally successful guys, trying to mimic what they do.

Conclusion: They should not be seen as techniques, but rather as behaviors. So instead of trying to execute them robotically, ask yourself what state of mind you need to have to just BE that way. Then find your way to that state.

Break rapport

Get som real knowledge and study what different terms mean, such as "rapport". Once you know what it means, it will become obvious that terms like "breaking rapport" have nothing in common with ACTUALLY breaking rapport! The last thing you want is to break it, and when people talk about breaking rapport they simply mean "do something unexpected and fun, but keep your rapport". With other words, this term is BS. Mostly used by RSD Julien.
Author:  Versalis [ Sun Dec 21, 2014 7:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do you differentiate good from bad advice without ha
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One really fast way is to look at the person suggesting it(if we're talking about "gurus").
I am talking about forum users.
Harder to say.
This forum is the best I've seen. Every other forum I've been to, was composed primarily of keyboard jockeys. This one, seems to mostly feature posters with actual experience. I can't prove it, I suppose. But what they say, mostly matches things I've either experienced, or know happened to people I actually know in person(or seem like logical extensions of these things).

The forum as a whole offers mostly good advice. Sometimes there are disagreements in thread, but it's usually pretty unified. When there's consensus, I would say it's almost always correct.

When it's split... that one's tougher to sort. One thing I will suggest is see how each side is arguing. Is one giving examples and explanations, while the other is basically saying "self evident/just put your mind to it!".

The one thing I think this forum sometimes gets pretty wrong is refusing to acknowledge that if a girl isn't into you, it's not really worth going for it anyway. Just go for girls who are into you, and leave the other ones alone. There are plenty of interested chicks and fighting to win this one over is not constructive.

Basically, if you skip "How do I win a girl over" advice, almost all of it is at least decent, and most of it good.
Author:  skills360 [ Sun Dec 21, 2014 7:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do you differentiate good from bad advice without ha
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to try everything out?

If you try it out, how many times do you need to try it out to verify whether it is working or not?

The whole seduction community is based on the idea of field testing, so you need test it multiple times to see if it works for you, somethings may work for some people and some may not work for others...

You can have 2 guys doing the same method/routine/line or _______.

It will work for one and not the other, most important thing subcommunication can not be really taught in a book it comes with experience...

here is one of the top guys, goes by cobi, explaining this better is called acceptance:
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We have all gone through the phase where we run around like head-less chickens, trying this and that.

We try any new technique we see, chat to hundreds of girls, fail miserably but also succeed sometimes.

Then we gradually arrive at some sort of a working framework of our game. Perhaps a few trusted "techniques".

After that we develop a set of solid strategies and by this stage the guy maybe called "good". Maybe even a "PUA".

Personally i think the next level up is where the real experts play at.

Those are the guys who have gathered so much experience that there is really not much else for them to see.
They use the same strategy time and again with the same excellent results.
And what makes them stand out is that they totally accept themselves as they are.

To use the key and door analogy.

The first group of guys run around checking if their key works on every girl's door.

While the group who reached acceptance, present their door to the girl and wait to see if she has the right key

It's a totally different mindset.

And let me tell you, it's so much easier once you reach that level.
It's just a huge weight of your shoulders.

The pressure of coming up with lines or keeping some airhead entertained just won't matter any more.

the "take it or leave it" approach sums it up nicely.

Unfortunately, no coach in the world will magically train you to reach that level in a week, month or year.
Author:  dtrak [ Sun Dec 21, 2014 8:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: How do you differentiate good from bad advice without ha
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I am talking about forum users.
mmm well for that you'll have to test shit out
useually guys call out other guys bullshit in this forum so if you like the advice and no one shits on em then it should be legit. lol.

either way, 10% theory 90% action baby

game is simple

Go out, approach alot, learn.
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