PUA Forum :: Ratios - Chances of success?

Your mindset in itself is fucked up.

It is a numbers game but that doesn't mean you fucking keep track of it. The fact that you are keeping track of how many girls you are talking to is weird. Then you are trying to figure out how many of them you fuck that you've talked to. C'mon man.

Stop looking for dates and start looking for chemistry and connection. You might have to talk to 200 girls before you find one that you have any chemistry with. It happens. You're gonna go on "cold streaks." You're not always going to perform against your previous numbers.

You're a human being. And when two human beings interact with each other, there is either chemistry or there is not. That chemistry is going to be determined by things like her mood and your mood and tons of other factors in the environment. You might approach a girl at a bar and she blows you off yet you approach the same girl at Starbucks and she's into you.

Nice post. Do you tend to find the more chemistry there is, the less of the need for game?
Of course you always need to not screw up and play the AFC, but I just wander if you find you need less for the ones with chemistry.

Play the numbers game but stop worrying so much about keeping score.

Author:	PUASydney [ Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:05 am ]
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Hi Guys I get really pissed off with myself and the situation when I get lots of knockbacks and i'm sure other guys get the same thing. I think it would be encouraging for others if we knew that maybe it's "not just me" as it can sometimes seem "What's wrong with me?". I would like to know from others here what their ratio of success is?. For instance if you're out on daygame do you have to approach 10 women to get 1 date situation or is it 1 in 5? Is nightgame better? Is there a good place or time to try or type ,etc etc Assuming other things are equal like your looks and her looks My tip is stay away from "Spiritually" minded women It's been my goal to find a woman like this as it's one of my interests but for some reason they play very hard to get. My ratio with these type of women has been disastrous maybe 1 in 20, that's been despite the fact I "Talk their language" Having said that though I heard of a guy who went on date after date with women from a well known Aussie dating website ,dozens of them before meeting someone worthwhile. Country of origin makes a difference too with the ratios. I put this here as an example but another would be barmaids I imagine as they get hit on more often. Also hitting on women walking along a busy street would be harder than approaching them in a shopping aisle or a park bench, but again I think the ratios would be interesting. If you're a sales rep you think about ratios and I guess sarging is no different, a salesman can get disappointed in the same way as we can. In a way you are like a sales rep except your goal is to find a woman rather than make money. So in summery it would be good to know the ratios , and hopefully we can help each other by saving time and heartache. Thanks

Author:	Cdharders [ Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:35 pm ]
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Ratios is too complicated because there's a lot of variables involved specific to every person, but I was a virgin until 23 then 2 weeks into game, had my first lay, and first SNL 2 weeks later. It's been a wild ride since. It all really comes down to having an effective strategy, rather than throwing a lot of stuff at the wall. PM me if you have any specific questions.

Author:	DJ_Z [ Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:39 pm ]
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KJ'ing in this thread summary: "I don't have a lot of luck with certain types of women, ergo certain types of women must not be as open to game" No, just means you aren't that good.

Author:	Jay (Majik) [ Wed Apr 16, 2014 3:17 pm ]
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Your mindset in itself is fucked up. It is a numbers game but that doesn't mean you fucking keep track of it. The fact that you are keeping track of how many girls you are talking to is weird. Then you are trying to figure out how many of them you fuck that you've talked to. C'mon man. Stop looking for dates and start looking for chemistry and connection. You might have to talk to 200 girls before you find one that you have any chemistry with. It happens. You're gonna go on "cold streaks." You're not always going to perform against your previous numbers. You're a human being. And when two human beings interact with each other, there is either chemistry or there is not. That chemistry is going to be determined by things like her mood and your mood and tons of other factors in the environment. You might approach a girl at a bar and she blows you off yet you approach the same girl at Starbucks and she's into you. Play the numbers game but stop worrying so much about keeping score.

Author:	cunning_stunt [ Wed Apr 16, 2014 3:48 pm ]
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Quote: Your mindset in itself is fucked up. It is a numbers game but that doesn't mean you fucking keep track of it. The fact that you are keeping track of how many girls you are talking to is weird. Then you are trying to figure out how many of them you fuck that you've talked to. C'mon man. Stop looking for dates and start looking for chemistry and connection. You might have to talk to 200 girls before you find one that you have any chemistry with. It happens. You're gonna go on "cold streaks." You're not always going to perform against your previous numbers. You're a human being. And when two human beings interact with each other, there is either chemistry or there is not. That chemistry is going to be determined by things like her mood and your mood and tons of other factors in the environment. You might approach a girl at a bar and she blows you off yet you approach the same girl at Starbucks and she's into you. Nice post. Do you tend to find the more chemistry there is, the less of the need for game? Of course you always need to not screw up and play the AFC, but I just wander if you find you need less for the ones with chemistry. Play the numbers game but stop worrying so much about keeping score.

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Author:	barks100 [ Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:24 pm ]
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only maths you need with woman is me, girl Add bed, Subtract clothes, Divide her legs and Multiply

Author:	PUASydney [ Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:06 pm ]
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Thanks for all the replies. Seems like you guys are not into the numbers game and maybe you're right i'm over analysing it. I guess the reason i'm keeping track of it is i'm trying to learn what i'm doing right and wrong and trying to improve the weak areas and repeat the strong ones. "Stop looking for dates and start looking for chemistry and connection" That's very true, i'm sick of going on fruitless dates anyway [no pun intended,lol] Anyway i'll take your thoughts on board.

Author:	GamesSN [ Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:26 pm ]
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I have a pretty high success rate but I don't approach picking up women as most do.. I think there's too much stress in the community when it comes to approaching and opening women and being the one to initiate it. I invite women to approach and open on me. I'm very picky so I choose who I go for and depending on the woman and situation i'll either approach or invite her to approach me. If it's crowded i'll approach, if it's a more open venue with legroom i'll generally invite them to approach me which works 9 times out of 10. I'm probably going to hear back about how that's bullshit but it's what I do. I'm about a 7, nothing special but i'm not ugly and i've got the frame to back up my actions. Once I know a girl I will be direct, invite them out, flirt, call them cute and when i'm alone with them and get them out I will be direct in closing them but I prefer to have women come after me and initiate on me. I'm also big on social game(Gaming women I meet through mutual friends) which is, admittedly, extremely easy.

Author:	PUASydney [ Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:54 am ]
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That's great that they come to you. You said "I invite women to approach and open on me" It would be good to hear how you get them to come to you?

Author:	GamesSN [ Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:05 am ]
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Well, it's important to have a proper frame and confidence when you do it otherwise it's too easy to come across as a creep. You have to be confident, not afraid to hold eye contact and have your eye contact down to be more serious. It's difficult to explain... It's like a cross between "dagger eyes", having a stare that could "cut through ice" and being non-threatening but also sexually inviting. Maybe i'm putting too much importance on how you give eye contact... the simplest explanation would be to be "serious." I have a non-threatening face so it works well for me. I haven't read this but just did a quick search on it. First few sentences seem on track with what i'm saying: https://womenattracted.com/how-to-use-s ... s-aroused/ Anyway, just hold eye contact and be slow in how you do it. You check her out and let her know you're checking her out if she looks in your direction by holding eye contact. This catches her attention and peeks her interest. She knows you're into her. Immediately she'll start waiting for you to approach her or she'll see it as a sure thing and come to you if only to find out why you're looking at her. When she breaks eye contact keep your gaze there(She'll notice) then slowly pay attention elsewhere. Don't be afraid to look back towards her if she's facing your direction but don't go overboard at the same time. Remember, you're a confident guy with a lot more going on in your head than one SHB and you're conveying this to her. In doing this and keeping this mental frame you're also showing her you're high value, someone a lot of women are after which will drive her nuts. Normally what I do is lower my head a small bit to emphasise my upper features(Nose, eyes, hair but specifically eyes) and slightly narrow my brows so as to give a more serious look. (( Looking at this image you can see how a narrow, lower and more serious eye/brow looks sexier than a higher, arched and relaxed brow: http://www.spmbylilly.co.uk/eyebrow-shapes.jpg The same feature attracts men as it does women thus women plucking their eyebrows to make them thinner and more straight and narrow)) I don't smile, I keep my jaw straight(Slight gap between my teeth without opening my mouth) and hold a neutral stance on my lips. A perfect way to see the difference in how you look and do the jaw thing right is go to a mirror, relax your jaw and lips then loosely bare your teeth with your lips left loose and closed. Your bottom two teeth should be touching your top two teeth tip to tip. For me I usually have to extend my jaw because I don't have an under bite. That's how you get the look of it which is sexy, generating attraction. The rest is down to your frame, not shying away from eye contact, letting her break contact and then paying little attention towards her but letting her know you're interested by checking her out every now and then(Holding eye contact). If you get this you generate interest and more attraction. You're confident, important and not afraid: You're alpha. This works in clubs for night game. I don't do it in social game unless they're across the room and they've checked me out or shown some interest in me before. I've had women rush to dance on front of me when they see this, come up to me and try get me to dance with them. I've had extremes of women just coming up to say "Hi" to them coming up to me and inviting me to have a drink with them. Generally the only ones who will invite you for drinks are some of the hottest in the club and have a lot of confidence. Also, forget that bullshit some people or websites will say about "waiting" for a chick to check you out first. I, personally, think it's bullshit so newbies don't go around beaming the shit out of every chick they think is hot, freaking them out. My understanding is if you're confident, abundant in women and a chooser(Good quality) you won't give a damn if she's checked you out first; you won't need that confirmation because when you see something and want it you're not afraid to get it. It's probably the most confident way to think. I guess my game would be more passive in generating initial attraction and this works well for me because I don't go all in at first but raise attraction and interest from a distance making the woman want to find out about me. Consider it the "Mysterious" stranger persona if you want to put it in context. The mysterious guy doesn't go up to every girl he sees, gropes at her and tries to make her laugh, he's more serious and calculated; he's more of a wild card. After she approaches I go direct and run normal game. Doing this generally peeks her interest really god damn high so she goes in wanting you making it hard to fuck up or turn her off unless you turn out to be boring, shy and a loser. Another thing that's related... When you're talking to a girl you like talk over her shoulder and if there's another woman behind her do the eye thing. The chick will sense this, catch your look from the side and find it attractive. She won't look behind her to see if you're checking out another woman but she'll be thinking someone else is distracting you or you're interested in something else. It not only forces her to raise interest in you but it gives you a distraction away from her making you less nervous and focused on this one woman which, in turn, has your target(The woman you're talking to) focus more on you and generating attraction between you and her. You can also do this if you're just talking to a friend and want to flirt with the woman behind your friend. It's confident and an excuse to be looking in that direction.

Author:	PUASydney [ Fri Apr 25, 2014 8:30 am ]
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Hi Games SN Thanks for your very comprehensive reply. Yes, your eye contact technique would be important to learn if done correctly. Another skill i'd love to learn. It would be great if there were a video on this to watch. In the meantime we have the written approach.

Author:	Dragula [ Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:39 am ]
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Haha good stuff gameSN I will memorise that when I'm next in field ;p But off topic, yeah I think eye contact game is still a complicated subject that is hard to describe. Because ultimately your head and feelings have to be behind the eye contact so you can't just tell nervous noob to do it.. When I do the eye contact thing and I get a positive reaction, usually dive straight in there and make out with her. But I think it would be way more effective if I was to go back and forth with EC building up tension. I think you can learn a lot about looking at yourself in the mirror actually, I just recently noticed that I squint in the sun and look like I'm retarded, so I made adjustments to correct the retard. anyway Back on topic, think majikal method has said everything that's been said. However, in a community that's full of analytical nerds that like to head % and stats, read this article about finding your magic number: http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-14444.html This helped my mindset a lot , I used to get very frustrated with flakes but this article blew my mind and now I don't care if I get a flake because I know there is a girl that will dig me eventually

Author:	PUASydney [ Sun May 04, 2014 4:01 am ]
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Thanks for the link to that article. That's very helpful knowing that i'm not the only one with poor ratios. Knowing it's not just you helps keep the morale high.

Author:	Melodical [ Sun May 04, 2014 5:24 pm ]
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Have a look at this link and apply the knowledge to pick up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle

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Author:	PUASydney [ Sat May 10, 2014 2:46 am ]
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Thanks. The "80 / 20" rule Yes, it's an interesting idea but i don't find it holds true for many things. It says 80% of a companies sales come from 20% of it's products for instance , I think that's going to be easy to prove wrong. but then I haven't thoroughly studied it either. It just seems wrong. I'm not sure how it would relate to sarging?