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| Author: | Straightforward [ Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Special mixed signals |
This happens right after the opener, no rapport building involved. How to continue if a woman smiles all the time while she is saying in a clear voice that she has to leave and is actively leaving to the point that - if I don't say anything - she is gone? Yes, the dreaded mixed signals. But they are normally like a verbal no and a physical yes - and no verbal no and a "physical" no and a smile she cannot stop. So what to do? |
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| Author: | Snarg [ Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Special mixed signals |
If she's leaving right after your so-called opener and this has happened multiple times, you're creeping her out or something similar. Those aren't mixed signals, they're pretty clear I think. |
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| Author: | Straightforward [ Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Special mixed signals |
No, they are the mixed signals we know. I translate your reply into "try showing less dominance". |
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| Author: | Snarg [ Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Special mixed signals |
That's...not what I said. |
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| Author: | Donston [ Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Special mixed signals |
Quote: No, they are the mixed signals we know.
Tahahahaha ... that is so funny!I translate your reply into "try showing less dominance". But, to prevent a girl from leaving is to address their rationality ... rationality = that shit they are thinking in their head on why they have to leave. What a girl is thinking when you approach them: 1) I have to go back to my friends. 2) Is this guy a player? 3) Those he know what he is doing? 4) Is this guy a creep. So right after you opened the girl ... false time constraint by saying "I had to meet you, I can't stay long. I'm here with my friends" ... banter banter (make girl laugh) banter banter ... introduce your self ... as you pass the 4-5 minute mark you are now considered not creepy ..... - Next, it is common for the girl to return back to her friends ... therefore ask "Who are you here with and how do you know them?" ... You can either a) kidnap her against her will and put her in your rape van. b) Tell her ok ... well it was nice to meet you ... have a lovely day! c) Tell her to introduce you to her friends ... The answer is c by the way ... if you can't get the girl to stay ... n' she has to leave for legit reasons ... then go with the girl! If she hasn't told you to fuck off ... you are still in the green ^_^! For example ... You open ... "She says she has to go back to her friends .... " You go with her and tell her to introduce your to them .... Don't confuse mix signals as a rejection ... she is telling you what you need to say and do for her to give you the opportunity for how this can happen! sincerely, Donston |
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| Author: | Snarg [ Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Special mixed signals |
That's not what's happening here, though. He appears to be approaching women on the street and they walk away within 30 seconds. Following them is the last thing he should be doing in that scenario. That's not being dominant, that's being creepy. |
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| Author: | Straightforward [ Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Special mixed signals |
Quote: That's not what's happening here, though. He appears to be approaching women on the street and they walk away within 30 seconds. Following them is the last thing he should be doing in that scenario. That's not being dominant, that's being creepy.
No, it's persistent. Don't ever assume that something was creepy. Creepyness is only in your mind.
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| Author: | Donston [ Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Special mixed signals |
My bad ... I missed the fact it is street game ... none the less ... the same shit works on the street. If the girl moving ... just start walking with her and game ... Unless they fucking run away or tell you to legit fuck off ... walk with her and game ... Here is an infield of my friend that demonstrates this ... jump to 18:55 ... from open to pull infield ^_^! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frvV4z14AUw Therefore, if the set will not stay ... then walk with them and apply game like you would for a stationary set. Sincerely, Donston |
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| Author: | Straightforward [ Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Special mixed signals |
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Thanks. Unfortunately due to a huge amount of jealousy and uneasiness I cannot watch this not to mention learn from this.Please sum up the key elements. |
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| Author: | Donston [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Special mixed signals |
That's a terrible excuses to get me to do extra work .... but, I will help nonetheless -_- .... I'll make it quick. Instead of explaining, the ideas and foundation behind on how this shit works ... I will instead give you instructions to cultivate this skill. The instruction is executed by applying the 4 times rule. The 4 times rule is you stay in set 4 times the girl resists you. But, every time she resists you must try a different method/angle to get the set to hook. Try not to go more than 4 attempts because you become annoying and the girl will become hostile ^_^. Do this every time you train and you will start to see those mix signals you are getting. Through experience and honouring the 4 times rule ... you will be able to read these mix signals and even predict and counter them before they happen. For example ... using the mix signal you described above ... when you open and you see that girl make the mix signal ... that is the mix signal "I have to go I can't stay and talk to this guy "... therefore, immediately once you notice this mix signal ... ask her where she is going and say I am going that direction also ... and start to walk with her ... continue to game as you walk. The 4 times rule can be applied to approaching, make out, pulling, and sex (but no raping please :p) ... Sincerely, Donston PS just go watch the video ... My friend explains everything in there :p ... |
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| Author: | Straightforward [ Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Special mixed signals |
Quote: That's a terrible excuses Be happy that you are not limited by that. These are not excuses, they are real and strong emotions holding me back.
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| Author: | GamesSN [ Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Special mixed signals |
Quote: Quote: That's not what's happening here, though. He appears to be approaching women on the street and they walk away within 30 seconds. Following them is the last thing he should be doing in that scenario. That's not being dominant, that's being creepy.
No, it's persistent. Don't ever assume that something was creepy. Creepyness is only in your mind.The following isn't meant to antagonise or put you down but help so don't take offence... Don't take up bad habits and presume just because you think it's not creepy it isn't. You seem to be reading into things for face value here and taking vague guidelines as the be all, end all for every scenario and encounter. There's a finesse to approaching, opening and being confident and non-threatening we all have to come to grips with it and perfect it. You learn that things aren't so black and white in most situations a lot of the base guidelines are there to get you off your ass and not be pegged down the first handful of times you attempt to approach and open a woman, all the while improving your technique. If you're persisting in doing something the wrong way and believing it's correct you're only hurting yourself. The mere fact you would argue this point with a more established PUA who clearly isn't a newbie only establishes the fact that you really suffer from this issue: You've blinded yourself and won't take criticism in order to grow and learn from things. Reassess your approach and opening, tell us what it is you're saying and exactly how they react. Simply saying "They smile but then say they're leaving and walk away" doesn't indicate mixed signals. It just tells us that the woman is being polite by smiling but wants you to leave. Yeah, you'll hear that eye contact and a smile is an IOI but not every smile and eye contact is an IOI sometimes it's just how people are in certain situations(They could be intimidated or just want to be nice and not insult you) and then there are different types of smiles and eye contact that you really need to learn to see such as fake smiles: http://www.picturelikethis.com/1/post/2 ... -tell.html Fake smiles are easier to assess and analyse. Eye contact is also easy. People place a lot of importance on dilation of the pupil but that's just too much to be taking account of when you're in a social environment(Which most likely involves alcohol which skews the responsiveness of the pupils). Don't place importance on the pupils but importance on where their eyes are directed and how long they're directed at you or other areas then consider the setting and situation you're both in. You obviously need to know the types of eye contact... A deep and serious look with a smile or grin or even a change to a deep look with narrowed eyebrows is an indication they want to fuck. If you pull this you're indicating you want her to play pogo on your love stick. She'll pick up on this, change her body language appropriately(if interested: Get closer, turn towards you and reciprocate the same eye contact in return with open body language. If not interested: The opposite, look away unimpressed, take a step back, close her body off from you or slightly turn to face away from you). Glances and gazes generally mean there is some interest there. Maybe you caught her attention from the corner of her eye which was enough to investigate. Second glance is a level beyond this indicating an active interest. Long gazes tend to be deliberate and an invitation to approach. Here's probably the best advice you'll hear in regard to this: Follow your gut in social situations like this. Yep, follow your gut. Unconsciously you're aware of someone's attraction to you and your "gut" feeling will be "This girl likes me" but your consciousness will be fighting that back to save you from rejection in the odd chance it comes to it. Your unconscious will pick up on all the cues, tally up the eye contact, the glances and see things you wouldn't be consciously aware off but generally you'll have to get in close proximity to this person to really feel it. Your gut feeling can be anything really that would otherwise make you feel slightly off balance or elated around this woman but the clear way to know someone likes you is when you get "butterflies." You know that feeling in your stomach when you're near a girl you like and she shows interest in you? It's because she is interested. It's like the spark love stories harp on about, that spark is purely unconsciousness and unconscious' way of letting you know this person is interested in you. If you share that interest you feel happy and have a positive effect, if you don't share that interest you might feel a shyness and force a fake smile. |
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| Author: | Straightforward [ Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Special mixed signals |
Creepyness is only in your mind. Because it is creepy to you, it is creepy to women. Also, always risk creepiness to know where boundaries are. This is where you are stuck up and your advice is wrong, GamesSN. |
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| Author: | GamesSN [ Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Special mixed signals |
Okay, cowboy. Good luck with all those women who are walking away from you when you approach and open them. |
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| Author: | Donston [ Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Special mixed signals |
Quote: Quote: That's a terrible excuses Be happy that you are not limited by that. These are not excuses, they are real and strong emotions holding me back.The only way to re wire your beliefs and how you feel is to take action! Good luck and have fun!!! Donston! |
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