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| Author: | chazman0426 [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Where did I go wrong? |
Hey guys I just met this girl online and I was trying to get to know her more and see if the game worked online. Apparently it didn't on this one. Did I do anything wrong? Maybe this is a one time bitch. coolchaz0426: yes way curiousheather20: no freakin way coolchaz0426: I would give you my b day but it's personal info since I don't know if your really 20 curiousheather20: alright coolchaz0426: well it's april 25th coolchaz0426: I trust you enough curiousheather20: mine is july 17th coolchaz0426: almost 21 curiousheather20: party like a rock star curiousheather20: can't wait coolchaz0426: I do that anyway curiousheather20: but i already do that curiousheather20: lol coolchaz0426: you don't have to be 21 to party and drink coolchaz0426: just at bars you do curiousheather20: i do at bars anyways lol coolchaz0426: good curiousheather20: been doin that since 18 coolchaz0426: high five curiousheather20: thanks coolchaz0426: so heather why are you horny curiousheather20: i am all the time curiousheather20: it's fun coolchaz0426: are you hot and bothered? curiousheather20: oh yea coolchaz0426: lol coolchaz0426: so what do you hope to accomplish online curiousheather20: ummmm don't know yet curiousheather20: haven't found it yet coolchaz0426: so I take it your fairly good looking? curiousheather20: well...i got guys all over me in the clubs lol coolchaz0426: and you look curious all the time curiousheather20: i guess i am hot coolchaz0426: and I'm sure you brush these guys off curiousheather20: i keep only the one's that can keep my interest coolchaz0426: thats how it works coolchaz0426: but heather coolchaz0426: are you interesting coolchaz0426: ? curiousheather20: yes coolchaz0426: really.... curiousheather20: do u think i am? curiousheather20: u must coolchaz0426: I dunno yet curiousheather20: ur talkin to me coolchaz0426: because i'm trying to decide if you are interesting coolchaz0426: name one interesting thing about yourself curiousheather20: what the hell kinda question is that coolchaz0426: a legit question, if your so interesting prove it curiousheather20: i don't have to prove anythin to u coolchaz0426: lol so your not interesting curiousheather20: yes i am coolchaz0426: just something unique about yourself coolchaz0426: ok welll then coolchaz0426: I guess if you can't find something unique about yourself coolchaz0426: most people can coolchaz0426: your a first curiousheather20: ur mean coolchaz0426: no hun i'm just trying to make convo curiousheather20: ur trying to make me mad coolchaz0426: now why would i want to do that? curiousheather20: because ur bored curiousheather20: ur in a bored room coolchaz0426: so I'd want to make a girl mad coolchaz0426: ? coolchaz0426: ok curiousheather20: ur bored coolchaz0426: ok I'll admit that but I don't want to make you mad coolchaz0426: I just wanted to learn something interesting about you coolchaz0426: I try to get to know the people i talk to coolchaz0426: apparently you like the attention you get from guys that ask the same old questions curiousheather20: no coolchaz0426: I was looking for someone more interesting than that curiousheather20: then go talk to someone else coolchaz0426: pleasure meeting you Re-reading it I found some points where I could probalby improve but for the most part I didn't know how to handle "what the hell kind of question is that?" because I've never gotten a response like this from a girl. Most girls comply and name something interesting and ask the same question back. Any tips on how to handle this bitch behavior online and in person next time? I'm still learnin. |
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| Author: | Overcoat [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:03 pm ] |
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I'd say don't push it so much. I think she probably was out for picking a fight. Sometimes it's hard to work out how someone means something online. But I think don't push it too much. If she doesn't offer anything after a push or two then move on, next topic. |
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| Author: | .EnVy. [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:12 pm ] |
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Wow, I don't know where to begin...lol. Alright, it wasn't BAD. Because sometimes, online game CAN (at times) be very difficult, depending on the situation. So no worries, you seemed to handle things alright, I guess. Okay, here's the thing. Telling a girl to name interesting things about her shouldn't just come up at the spur of the moment like that. What you did was just TRY to get something out of her, and girls don't respond well to that (consciously AND subconsciously). Here's how I would have said the line: "So, other than the fact that you're "hot," tell me...what makes you different from all the other girls?" Possible negative response: "Wtf kinda question is that?" Reply: "Well, what I'm saying is that Sure, you're pretty, but beauty is really common these days. I've dated some of the prettiest women before. Hell, I've probably dated some people you may know! Haha. But it's actually the personality that shines through. Now tell me, what separates you from every ordinary pretty girl?" The KEYYYYYYY to A3 questions like that, is to ask them in A3. You didn't demonstrate any value at first. If the girl does not reply to the compliance test ("Is there more to you than your looks?" line) then that means you have not yet demonstrated enough value. She does not feel invested in you, and doesn't want to qualify herself to you, because at the moment, you have lower value than her. Here are some of the main points: Let's say your value and hers add up to 1.0. *Opening: Your value: ~0.2 Her Value: ~0.8 *Neg + DHV The negs lower her value and the DHVs raise yours Your value: ~0.7 Her value: ~0.3 A3 (qualification) Now you need HER to qualify to YOU Your value: ~ 0.6 Her Value: ~0.4 Comfort: Then, in comfort, you need to show vulnerability and SLIGHTY lower your value by showing weekness (Hey, you're only human, right? You have the right to show emotion). Showing vulnerability is done by telling a story where you were weak at one point (for example, you cried because you were heart-broken to see your little brother gettin surgery because you loved him so much) Something like that usually works. Anyways, after the story: Your Value: ~0.5 Her Value: ~0.5 When you guys have the same value, you can "pair bond." Anyways, those numbers might be a bit confusing, but it makes more sense if I use graphs lol. So, overall, you didn't demonstrate enough value. There was no kino ('cause it was on the the net). Body language is hard to calibrate over the internet. And there were many restrictions on you, but it's okay. I'm sure with a bit of experience on the internet, you will be able to tell if she likes you or not. I recommend going IN FIELD to sarge, but whatever makes you more comfortable, stick to it. Oh, and one other point: You ALWAYS need to be non-reactive. If she gives you a shit test like "wtf kinda question is that?" then you need to NOT SHOW and emotion. You seemed to have been qualifying yourself to her too much, and she just assumed that you were another guy. An AFC. BUT, I REALLY liked how you stood up for yourself. By saying something liked "A legit one." That's a good response. Props. Oh, and nice way to end. "Then go talk to someone else!" "Pleasure meeting you Very nice. If you would have been like "FINE FUCK YOU, BITCH!!" Then she will be like "Hm, it's a good thing I got rid of him. He's an ass hole!" But by being polite and leaving, she'll have a sense of loss. Hope this helped, buddy. |
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| Author: | chazman0426 [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:13 pm ] |
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hey Envy, that piece of advice really helped. Lol what actually happened was I just left it alone for 10 minutes and then I went back and said "sorry I don't suck up to girls like most guys do who ask the same old questions" "have a good night" and she responded saying "please stay, I didn't mean to be a bitch" to which i was suprised because I guess she was playing but online it looked really offensive so thats why I hate gaming online but I went out on friday night (I'm in college) and there were no parties what so ever so I stayed inside and practiced online game to make up for it. Otherwise I usually go to college parties and practice. I ended up talking to this chic for 4 hours and I ended the convo because I was tired and gave her my e-mail we'll see if i hear back but thanks for the advice! I know what to do next time. |
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| Author: | .EnVy. [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:45 am ] |
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Quote: hey Envy, that piece of advice really helped. Lol what actually happened was I just left it alone for 10 minutes and then I went back and said "sorry I don't suck up to girls like most guys do who ask the same old questions" "have a good night" and she responded saying "please stay, I didn't mean to be a bitch" to which i was suprised because I guess she was playing but online it looked really offensive so thats why I hate gaming online but I went out on friday night (I'm in college) and there were no parties what so ever so I stayed inside and practiced online game to make up for it. Otherwise I usually go to college parties and practice. I ended up talking to this chic for 4 hours and I ended the convo because I was tired and gave her my e-mail we'll see if i hear back but thanks for the advice! I know what to do next time.
Good stuff, man. Yeah, parties are a great place to sarge. Just don't sarge anygirls that you see every day, because if you screw up, then it will stick with you and next time you see that girl, she's going to remember you fucking up. So if the girl doesn't know you,who cares if she knows you fucked up. You're never going to see her again, anyway right? lol Glad I could help, bruh. Take it easy. |
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