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Author:  d95095411 [ Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Is it stupid to compliment a girl?
Is it stupid to compliment a girl you are interested ? ( Not as openers) As an afc, it is really hard to avoid doing so in some points an many pua's have different opinions on this.
Author:  In$tinct [ Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it stupid to compliment a girl?
I am actually glad you asked this question in before mindlessly believing what you read and ruin your game. Why would it be bad to compliment the girl? It qualifies her, it creates romance. Guys don't seem to get it. You can not get the girl if all you do is compliment her. You need sexual tension, flirting, escalate physically. But overall it can help a lot to compliment the girl. The other thing is that is important... HOW to compliment a girl. Many guys are just doing it wrong. When you compliment, say what you think. Not what you think you need to say.
Author:  Il-Cavalieri [ Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it stupid to compliment a girl?
No, as long as you do it right. This thread talks a bit about it and something else I learned goes a long way, constructive criticism:

when-a-girl-asks-for-advice-about-her-i ... 70908.html

Besides from what I told on that thread, my rules for complimenting a girl are simple:

Do not overdo it. Sure, you may say she looks fine, but do not say she is more beautiful than Cleopatra.

Be honest. As I said, constructive criticism goes a long way. Any AFC can say "you look beautiful in that dress", but it takes a real man (and a gentleman) to say "that is not a very good choice. You look great, but lose the necklace/button your coat/etc."

Compliment stuff that she invested (either money or time) in and that says something about her personality. I usually compliment the nail polish (if it is worth a complement), the jewelry or accessories she is wearing, hairstyle or general style/clothing. It's better to compliment something she had to work for than natural atributes.

Finaly, be smart about it. Don't just say "I like your top", say "I like your top, it brings out your eyes", or something elese that aplies to the situation.
Author:  d95095411 [ Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it stupid to compliment a girl?
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I am actually glad you asked this question in before mindlessly believing what you read and ruin your game. Why would it be bad to compliment the girl? It qualifies her, it creates romance. Guys don't seem to get it. You can not get the girl if all you do is compliment her. You need sexual tension, flirting, escalate physically. But overall it can help a lot to compliment the girl. The other thing is that is important... HOW to compliment a girl. Many guys are just doing it wrong. When you compliment, say what you think. Not what you think you need to say.
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No, as long as you do it right. This thread talks a bit about it and something else I learned goes a long way, constructive criticism:

when-a-girl-asks-for-advice-about-her-image-vt170908.html

Besides from what I told on that thread, my rules for complimenting a girl are simple:

Do not overdo it. Sure, you may say she looks fine, but do not say she is more beautiful than Cleopatra.

Be honest. As I said, constructive criticism goes a long way. Any AFC can say "you look beautiful in that dress", but it takes a real man (and a gentleman) to say "that is not a very good choice. You look great, but lose the necklace/button your coat/etc."

Compliment stuff that she invested (either money or time) in and that says something about her personality. I usually compliment the nail polish (if it is worth a complement), the jewelry or accessories she is wearing, hairstyle or general style/clothing. It's better to compliment something she had to work for than natural atributes.

Finaly, be smart about it. Don't just say "I like your top", say "I like your top, it brings out your eyes", or something elese that aplies to the SITUATION.
Thx guys for the tips, I will study them hard. It's enthusiastic and helpful people that keeps me going. As a teenager, I have much too learn lol
Author:  Tr@veler [ Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it stupid to compliment a girl?
If it is sincere then it is great. Women are beautiful creatures. Really, they are. Appreciate them. Tell them that you do. Coming from a high value male, a compliment is one of the best things a girl can get.
Author:  skills360 [ Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it stupid to compliment a girl?
no! i complement right from the open... Hey! i think you are cute/attractive and wanted to come say hi, introduce myself and see if your looks match your personality...

Some gurus say not to compliment, which imo is retarded....

It just how it come across, if it come across you putting her in a pedestal is wrong. If you are masculine attractive dude, saying it cause you speak your mind and you are not overcompensating seeking for good reaction you are fine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_xmtRZeZ4M
Author:  Sam0101 [ Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it stupid to compliment a girl?
Not at all, complimenting a woman makes things a lot easier. Just don't over-compliment, because they'll catch on to you.
Author:  Monsignor Crisanto [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it stupid to compliment a girl?
I compliment girls to give them an emotional roller coaster ride. It works like this:

HH: You're not from here. I can tell.
Girl: How did you know? / You're wrong. I was born in this city. I live in blah, blah, blah.
HH: It seems that you're from heaven. / Oh, I guess I made a mistake then. You really look like you're from heaven.
Girl: (Squeals. Smiles.)
HH: For a second, I really thought that you're an angel. (Pause for some 3 to 5 seconds. Eye fuck gets intense.)
Girl: (Squeals some more.)
HH: You look like an angel of darkness.
Girl: (Frowns. Laughs. Hits your arm.)
HH: (Small talk. Eye fuck. Kino. If can't f-close within 24 hours, n-close or eject.)

The next interaction.

Girl: Hi. (Smiles. Flirts.)
HH: You have a different aura about you today.
Girl: What? Don't tell me again that I look like an angel of darkness? (Gets excited. Eyes twinkle.)
HH: No. The other day, you looked like an angel of darkness since your sexy vibe brought the devil out of me.
Girl: (With the doggie-eyes-on-the-bowl-look anticipating what you have to say, then squeals.) Eeeeeh.
HH: Now, your beauty is almost goddess like.
Girl: (Screeches louder. Pinches your belly. Kinos you all over.)
HH: You look like the Santo Nino.
Girl: (Laughs profusely while touching you all over. At this instance, get your body super close to her and rub your elbows or body to her nipples, rub your leg to her crotch area, rub your cock to her ass and so on.)

Image

Compliments can be very effective if you want to bait the girl to kino you a lot, remember you well from the bunch of guys who say the same boring things like the 100 other guys before you, feel a variety of intense emotions in your presence, and think about what you said at night before she sleeps not knowing if you REALLY gave her a compliment or negged her BIG TIME.

Of course, you will also have managed to get the girl horny from all of that targeted kino to her erotic body parts without using your hands (it's creepy as fuck if you used your hands, other arm parts like elbows are okay though).
Author:  In$tinct [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it stupid to compliment a girl?
I don't know... I compliment girls because I found something cute about her. Maybe I'm overly simplificating here, but that's just how I work. I also like to compliment women in general to a girl, while maintaining strong sexual eye contact. I mean something like this:

"In this world I love women the most. You are mysterious and exciting creatures. Your shiny hair(touching it), your soft skin (touch her arm, or her face, depending on how intimate level I am with her already), (If I'm heading for a close already, at this point I could do something like this: your hot lips, and I gently slide my hand off her face while adding a little peck on her lips with my index finger) all these must have been designed for the single purpose to drive me crazy (Do you have any idea how badly I want to kiss you now? *kiss her*)"

^This is not newbie stuff though. You have to deliver this really smoothly and well calibrated, otherwise it will be fucking creepy. But once you can pull things like this naturally, it drives women insane. Literally. Once you have the correct calibration on how to be this brutally sexual, you can just smell their pussy getting soaking wet. It took me some big time bitch slaps and spilled drinks to get it right, but it was totally worth it :)
Author:  GamesSN [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it stupid to compliment a girl?
It really depends on your style and target...

MM aims for 9s and 10s, generally women that know all too well how attractive they are and are used to a slew of men hitting on them and saying nice things to try get in their good books. It's specific to those types of women. So, unless you have extremely high value and social proof(Not to mention 10/10 in the looks department) that you can go up to a 10(As in the hottest chick there) and be direct you won't open with a compliment.

Otherwise, no it's totally fine to open with a compliment just don't do it wrong and praise the ground she walks on, be tactile about when you compliment a girl.
Author:  In$tinct [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it stupid to compliment a girl?
High value comes from within. The "9s and 10s" (quotation marks because the entire rating system is bullshit and counterproductive) can smell your BS social proofing from miles away, if it is not the REAL you. And if it IS the real you, then you don't need that proof anyway, because you send confident, genuine vibes to her, and women are damn receptive to that shit. They don't blow off guys because they start with a compliment, they do it because they suck. They only compliment to get in their pants, and they are fed up with that shit.

I like lots of stuff that is in the MM. Many useful things like isolation, and a basic understanding of the "structure" of the game, but the method itself is way too programmed to really feel it. At least, that's my experience with it. And I'm not even talking about the routines here. More like the peacocking theory, the neg theory, and the DHV theory are that are very incongruent. It may work in Las Vegas (where Mystery developed it), but at least here in Hungary, it sucks. And it's not just me, basically every friend of mine who entered the game got the same conclusion. When we dropped MM and started focusing on properly calibrated sexual vibe, frame control, and very physical game, after the initial crash and burns, our results rapidly shot up.

Just look at Cajun in Keys to the VIP. His body language rules, but his verbal game is fucking weak. Nothing more but his inner confidence is what gets that guy laid, and he would bang 10x more women if he dropped that fooling and lying all over the place stuff and say instead what he really thought and felt. Just my thoughts and 2 cents.
Author:  GamesSN [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it stupid to compliment a girl?
Yeah, MM has a lot of good in it but it's pretty subjective. Peacocking to the extent MM did would only ever work in a place like Las Vegas given the whole social norms of being outrageous and attention seeking. It's normal there and loved. Peacocking in other areas is best left minimal. In most cases a nice suit would really do all the peacocking in most clubs and pubs because these days guys just dress simple, wear a t-shirt, jeans and maybe a good jacket or a zip up hoody. It's because a suit looks well, mature and is rarely worn that women really go nuts for a guy that's in a well fitting suit. If not it's best to just have maybe one thing that a woman can see and comment on to approach you but I find it's not necessary.

I find that DHVing is useful if you do it in a very passive manner, especially if you're in a AMOG situation where they're trying to compete. Be passive about them, let them get aggressive, brush it off and tell stories which create interest and show higher value. Social Proofing isn't as important I find but it has it's worth in situations. It also does huge amounts for your inner game which is the main effect from it you should be getting I find. It solidifies your frame.

Yeah, Cajun has a strong frame. It's impressive but his canned stuff works quite well too and it works on 10s which is what MM is all about. Infact if you look at the video you can see, and they comment on it, that he approaches women who are really attractive and closes them really well.
Author:  In$tinct [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it stupid to compliment a girl?
While I agree with many of the things you say, I must elaborate and repeat something. The entire 6s, 9s, 10s etc. rating system is counterproductive. By nominating a woman a 10, or even a 9, you subconciously already put her on a pedestal. And then again I call double bullshit on it, because it's entirely subjective. Two types of women exist, the type I want to meet, and the type I don't. This is why I detest the major part of MM because it overthinks and overcomplicates simple stuff like this. Also, "Oh did I neg her enough, or should I throw in another one?", is not something I want to think about in the presence of a beautiful lady. In fact, I don't want to think about any game shit at all. I am interested in her as a sexual and human persona and I WILL express both of my interests from the very start. This is another way how men can fuck up. If you seem only interested in her deep inner values, then you'll get friend-zoned, if you're only interested in her sexual appeal, you are no different from the gazillion of guys trying to fuck her. Express both confidently, and you're all good.

Besides that, my biggest problem with MM is how it handles attraction. It speaks about "creating attraction". This term is non-existent. There is no creating attraction. It's there or it's not there. Women decide that in a very maximum of 20 seconds. You can rely on and amplify existing attraction (commonly speaking: turning her on), but good luck with "getting" a woman attracted who initially doesn't find you attractive.
Author:  GamesSN [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it stupid to compliment a girl?
I think it's down to the mentality with the rating system really. I use it as a measure for what I would perceive other people generally think of a woman and where she would be on an average scale of things. Personally I have high standards but if there's a woman I like for whatever reason i'm not going to care if everyone else sees her as a 6 or a solid 9 or 10. The way I see it it doesn't really effect my mentality when I see a girl. Sometimes i'll see a cute 6 or 7 and not be able to approach because she's got some flare to her that I find alluring yet i'll be able to talk to a HB10 and not give a damn. After a point the only issue i've found you'll have is when you have a specific mentality like getting involved with someone then thinking "This chick is amazing. She could have my children." and then you put her on a pedestal, overcomplicate things and start obsessing over everything, thus leading to a downward spiral. If you have the general PUA mentality of not being prone to oneitise you shouldn't really have that problem unless you're under pressure to perform.

I agree with the complicating parts of what you say and the mental processing going on while you're in their company but I believe most of this becomes second nature, you make it your lifestyle and see what suits you best. If you find negging helps you and you get better results you're most likely to incorporate that into your game and eventually have it as second nature. The biggest issue is people who just get into PUA and don't really understand a lot of the core concepts and start using them completely wrong and latch onto them as if they were the holy grail... even though it's mostly situational and how you get a vibe for how a woman is reacting to you that's where you start to pick up on things and naturally turn things around without thought.

I don't know. I believe we can become attracted to someone after first not being attracted to them. Take all the GBFs that end up landing a chick they've been pining over for years -- eventually -- and end up in relationships with them. I doubt women would turn around and subject themselves to a relationship for the sake of it. Obviously that's an extreme example but you can turn things around. I think men place more value on physical looks as opposed to women who are more interested in how others perceive a man and their social background.
Author:  In$tinct [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is it stupid to compliment a girl?
For those guy best friends you say usually the woman was attracted all along. Don't confuse being attracted with being in love. The girl doesn't need to have a crush on his guy friend to be attracted to him, and attraction persists for way longer than what the community belives. I personally am in a relationship with a girl who had been my friend for over 2 years before we got together and my attitude towards her didn't change in the process to the slightest, I only made a move and then it happened. The timing was irrelevant. Attraction was there and I was concious about that all the way, it was a shit ton of other reasons that it took so long for this relationship to manifest, which I'm not going to discuss now because it would take this topic way off track.

Now to get to that extreme example, when the guy was actually trying to get the girl and it took him so long, I believe it is extreme for a damn good reason. I mean every rule has some exceptions. Hell, I am quite an exception among men. I tend to overlook the looks of a female to really extreme extents. So badly, that people who don't know me, or my girlfriends, would even think I don't have standards. I strive for exceptional inner beuaty, one that is rare like a true gem. So far only 3 women lived up to my standards about that, yet these girls don't even come close to each other regarding their physical attributes. (Perhaps except for that they're all pretty short. I like shorties, they're cute).

I agree with the one-itis thing, but I still think that rating women in that way is completely unnecessary. For newbies it's absolutely destructive for the reasons I mentioned, and a PUA should already know exactly what he is looking for in women, which means any other women is out of question anyway, so why bother rating, let alone gaming them?

Now about that second nature and situational thing. I'm just going to agree on most of that. But that's another problem with MM anyway. It doesn't teach you how to calibrate. It teaches concepts, not a way to successfully communicate and subcommunicate. Concepts are great, but without calibration it's a complete failure.

Anyway, back to the topic, and stopping my crusade against Mystery Method for right now. I stand by my point. Complimenting a girl in the right way, regardless of how hot she is, by itself, will never ever blow you out. Complimenting the wrong way, or fucking up in other ways will blow you out. This has been my consistent experience for quite a long while now.
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