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Author:  YoungBuck [ Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:07 am ]
Post subject:  Advice on AMOGing or "AMOGing gone wrong"
I wanted to get some light on a recent event I went through. Jesus, now it sounds like a tornado or something. So I was playing some football and my team lost. Twice. It wasn't 'cause of skill, just a couple of lucky shots.
If that wasn't enough, their alpha (more perceived than real) started his shit talk and I really don't enjoy listening to that type of thing.
Now, even though, I think that, at the start of it, I had some good stuff, the dude threw my wannabe AMOG try right back in my face.
With very little alterations, here's the exchange we had. To note that other people were present, and of course, one of his lackeys was commenting on the side with expressions such as "Oh snap", "Funny", or "This is hilarious". Depending on the responses of his alpha.
His material shall be highlighted in bold.

Just so everyone knows, we won 'cause you got lucky.
"Blow me. We won 'cause you were shit."
Easy bro. I don't swing that way.
"Homo turd."
Really now. If I recall corectly, that ain't what you mother told me last night. Look here dude.
"You're trying too hard to make me look foolish. You're lame bro."
I ain't trying to make anyone look foolish, was just analyzing your sexual statement. A statement you used without knowing its meaning.
"Okay, you fat titty bitch."
You talked shit because you got lucky winning that game. You're like every ordinary dude that talks shit and can't back it up.
"Play me. 1 vs 1."
Are you serious now. I hope you don't make me suck your dick. I ain't into that stuff.
I wanted an explanation for your use of shit talk, but it escalated in you throwing insults at me, and stating that you were better.
"Cause I am, bitch!"
In the end though, it's all good, dude. But try, for future reference, to back up what you're saying.
Because the lack of substance really made you shine in a poor light.
"Dude. You lost. Twice."
Did I deny that. Nope.
"I was the best player both times. I'm better."
Did I say you were shit. Nope. Only said you won 'cause of luck. Then, you wanted to have sex with me.
There was no "You're better, I'm worse" type of stuff involved.
"You're gay as fuck."
Again with this. Already told you that my boyfriend doesn't agree with you, dude.
That is how you use irony, bro. -> this was in response to his lackey that tried to be ironic with me before the game.
"Never said I wanted sex from you. Your homo mind just thought that."
You actually thought I was serious, dude. Come on. You never really said it, but you implied it.
You took my humor seriously, got butthurt, and judged, unkowingly, my sexuality.
Everything that escalated was from you.

At this point, I lost interest in the conversation and it slowly defused by itself. What sucks is, that I know he
came out of this mumbo jumbo with more value than me.
I tried to be as polite and as detached as I could, but I got the feeling I wouldn't resolve anything being that way. I'd imagine he'd back out, but apparently, politeness only made it worse.
My request to you dudes is, to tell me where I actually lost the steering wheel of the conversation(if I ever had it, that is), and how I could've AMOGed the guy.
The politeness tactic didn't work, as insults were the words of his choice. Which was quite ironic, considering most men would know it'd make them look bad, a thing that did not happen here.
Any kind of advice would be appreciated. Cheers.
Author:  MartianVision [ Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Advice on AMOGing or "AMOGing gone wrong"
A lot of it would of depended on your body language and voice tone, which we couldn't get a full picture of when we were there.

But read it through yourself a couple of times, it was obvious that he was winning the argument, being more alpha the entire time. Analyse it yourself, you'll be able to see where you went wrong easily.

You said 3-4 times as much as he did. You invested wayy more than he did. He made his point in 5-6 words, you took loads more. You also sounded quite 'geeky', which rarely wins stuff like this, it makes him look cooler than you. One other thing I thought was it seemed you were reasoning with him a lot of the time, while he had more of a 'bully' styled approach, and personally I have never seen anyone successfully reason with a bully.

Also if he had a higher social standing then you do (even if its just because he has more mates who are present at the time), then he's got the advantage from the get go.

You started the argument as well. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but saying "Just so everyone knows, we won 'cause you got lucky." Is almost a guarantee that something like this will happen. A quote from how to win friends and influence people: “You can't win an argument. You can't because if you lose it, you lose it; and if you win it, you lose it.” Starting arguments is generally always a bad idea in life.
Of course, we all say things without thinking them through time to time, and what you said may just have been that, but you've still got to avoid arguments like this. I'd have said it'd be better to have made a joke of it and laughed it off, or even when he replied "Blow me. We won 'cause you were shit." Just take the moral high ground and say that you didn't mean any offence, and change the subject. In the end, they won the game, you'll have a hell of a hard time convincing other people that you were the better team, and an even harder time convincing the opposing team, even if you were better.

Sometimes people like this are better to be avoided completely, or befriended. Amoging him as a friend would of been far easier than as an enemy. I know one of my flaws is that I won't back down from an argument irl, due to several reasons, but it means that I'd argue until it results in punches, and I know there are many other people like that in the world. There will always be someone who can AMOG you, so you should never try to get into even a indirect argument with another alpha male, unless you know you can win.

With me though, I found it very difficult to handle situations like this until I went into a full-time job, where I worked with people who were a lot older than me (older people have more experience than we do in social situations, learn from them!), majority of whom are women (who are often more bitchy), and my father (someone who I've often thought to be a natural amog). I think when you get into full-time work, dealing with situations like this will come quickly (why people who have left school often get into less fights). With me, I chose a couple of people to look up to, and learn, from observation, about how to deal with social situations of all sorts. I recommend doing the same.
Author:  YoungBuck [ Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Advice on AMOGing or "AMOGing gone wrong"
Yeah, I knew I lost it simply because I was more invested than him in the conversation. Quite ironic to me is the fact that even though the dude used like half a brain cell, he still won the social interaction. Which is funny and irritating at the same time.
I got no problem winning arguments with women, because I don't engage, knowing it won't end well for the both us.
But with dudes, I have that respect for them, and always try to explain the situation and make them understand where they're wrong. Apparently, that's not the right thing to do.
I didn't mention the body language, because it wasn't worth mentioning. We were just facing. Almost mirror images of each other.
Anyway, thanks for the feedback, man. Have a good one.
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