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| Author: | Red [ Wed Dec 20, 2006 1:52 pm ] |
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Hey all...I am in the process of reading the game after a recommendation from one of my new roommates. I think the book is good but I am trying to put into practice some of the techinques but feel a bit lost. I hate the magic and the esp stuff. Side note, my roommate who recommended the book is dating 6 girls right now noticed a funny thing with the esp line. THe book never tells you what to do if their number isn't 7. When your wrong, how do you recover in a humorous manner? Anyway, the best thing that I have in my bag is Hi, i'm red! I am looking into using the other openers like the g/f or the cologne but help me out with what then...just improv and carry the conversation. I am good at that but I am that guy that can make freinds with everyone in the bar, but sleep with none. Help get me past the friend thing by either changing my conversation or something. Help! |
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| Author: | Graffiti [ Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:53 pm ] |
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I know what you're saying, in the begining I was all anti magic/esp, until I learned it's really like crack for women just test palm reading. All you have to do is open a girl and later ask her if she'd like her palm read, and you will become a believer in the stuff you thought was crap. On finding other openers and routines, search the site dude, we have tons of info. But, If you discover something new, let us know, there's a reason we're on the forum. |
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| Author: | Sakas [ Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Your opener....then what |
Quote: Anyway, the best thing that I have in my bag is Hi, i'm red!
One thing that i have learned is NOT to introduce yourself right off the bat! Make her earn your name. You want to have her interested in you and make her ask your name. It makes a huge difference!!!Here are some of the openers that i have found (mostly on this site) that i like. I haven't tried all of them yet. There are plenty more out there so look around! jealous girlfriend Opener. Papa: Hey, I need a female opinion on something? Girl: (Smiles and looks up) Okay. Papa: Would you date a guy who was still friends with his ex-girlfriend? Girl: Yeah. I think so. Sure. I started to walk away, then turned back and continued the conversation. Papa: Hmm. Actually, this is a two-part question. Girl: (Smiles and giggles) Papa: Imagine you were dating a guy who was still friends with his ex-girlfriend. And you were going to move in with him but he had a drawer with pictures of his ex-girlfriend – not nude pictures or anything, just regular pictures and some letters. Girl: Ooh. I would so get rid of them. I would put them in a box. I cut her off and continued with the opener.." You were wondering who that girl was huh? Well.. Yes, that girl was Paris Hilton. Amazing isn't it?! This ‘Jealous Girlfriend Opener' is common within the seduction community. And hundreds of pickup artists around the world use it now. Two-Part Kiss Opener by Style If a guy is dating a girl, and she goes out to a bar... and gets drunk and makes out with a GIRL for fun, is it cheating? Yeah, I know, new opinion openers are getting tired. But there IS a hole in opinion openers, and this one fills it. The problem is that the most commonly used opinion openers (jealous girlfriend, david bowie, who lies more, etc) appeal mostly to women. And most of us are approaching MIXED sets. So this new one, which I've been using consistently for months now (and am loathe to give away but just can't help myself for some reason), is designed to do several things. It appeals to guys first and foremost; women get super- into it also; and it provides a way to AMOG guys in front of women. So, without further ado (okay, maybe a little more ado), I humbly present for your consideration...The Two-Part Kiss Opener. PUA: Hey guys, we're having a debate and need a quick opinion on something. If a guy is dating a girl, and she goes out to a bar with her friends one night and makes out with a guy just for fun, is it cheating? GROUP: Yeah, it's cheating. PUA: Okay, that makes sense. So here's the real question. And I'll tell you why I'm asking in a second: If she goes out and gets drunk and makes out with a GIRL for fun, is it cheating? GROUP: (the responses will vary, but if any guys say "no," you can bust on them for having a double-standard etc.) PUA: Okay. Interesting. The reason I'm asking is because my friend over there has been dating this girl. And she likes to go out and get drunk and make out with girls. Now, some guys might be into that, but it pisses him off and he thinks it's cheating. She says it isn't. So we were trying to figure out who was right. GROUP: (discussion ensues, which you will have to soon cut off and move into your next piece of material because they will go on and on about this and stale the topic and convo) Enjoy. It's a nice change of pace for those who love Jealous Girlfriend but are tired of it. Report back on your results. Style Missed Meeting so my first reply just raved about theslackpack´s idea of stacking openers. now id like to share some of my favourite techniques... an opener has to be honest. youll notice, if you talk about a topic with your wing first, and then use it as an opener, it will work much better. so if its real it comes across as honest. so what did i do ? i just used the things that came to my mind, and then developed openers from that. theese were things like: hey, i really fucked up, i just missed a girl i wanted to meet, i was late, if you were that girl, what should i do that she istn too upset ? well the situation was real at this time... -now, with that opener you first ask her for advice, so its nothing shell answer yes or no to. -its an open loop, because she wants to know what happened. -you show that there are other girls around you -its roleplaying - and this is the best: shell think about and tells you what YOU SHOULD DO TO GET HER !! hey, thats all for now, go out and try it until i tell you more of that stuff Smile regards, Markus Clothing Guess this is a great opener that truely can make you the center of attention anywhere any time. this is an opener from my huge stash of secrets that i never tell anyone... but hey im drunk and i want someone to grant me access to the free e-book download on this site. if this technique doesnt get your targets attention it will at least get you some money/cigaretts/shots/whatever. the technique this works best with a wing man but you can do it by yourself also. the goal is to select a target and pawn as many people as you can before approaching her set. first approach a random set that has nothing to do with your target. (wing) "my friend here is a little drunk and he wants to bet me a cigarett/shot/whatever that anyone can pick out a stranger and he can tell you where they got any article of clothing that they have on right now. does anyone want this man to give everyone some free cigs?" (people in set) thinking that they have an oppertunity to take advantage of a drunk guy at this time may respond "ill take that bet" if not who cares... the whole point was to gain their intrest. (wing)"i love being able to take advantage of him when he's drunk like this... alright how about that girl over there (pointing to the target)" (me)pretending to be a little tipsy respond "to me... its easy" i then approach the set my target is in with a large group of people i dont even know following behind me giving me a huge boost of confidence knowing that i appear to lead a bunch of people displaying a huge DHV to the target. (me-directed toward the target) "we all have a little wager going on that they could select any random person and i can tell them where they got any article of clothing they have on right now. chances are they pick you. do you wanna bet a cig/shot/money/whatever? Any article... ill tell you where you got it. (HB)sure (me)what item do you want me to tell you where you got it? (HB)uummm... how about my bracelet? (me)cocky funny respond.... "oh come on.... thats easy! you got your bracelet on your wrist!" if she said necklace-"you got it around your neck" if she said pants-"you got them on your legs" im sure you get the point. collect any winnings you may have conned and continue entertaining a massive set that you organized! remember to neg the target. The Working Hug Hey next time you go into a store and if a female saleperson comes up and asks you for anything. Just look around for a quick second, make eye contact while smiling and be like. "Ya I was wondering if I could get a hug" Its awesome. The only two reactions I have gotten was they laughed and asked why I wanted a hug and I look at em and smiled. "I just feel like being held." Then you flash another smile. And the other reaction is they hug you. Now when you say this you don't wanna come off as a despreate or depressed guy. You have to have the PUA attitude. The Bad Artist bad artist routine by just sitting down next to her with a pen and paper and drawing (make it look really cheesy) as if you were the best in the world and knew it, then just hand her the picture with a clever title on it. If she laughs then you're in! Fabulous I love the "Fabulous" opener for really loud clubs. It's also how I would have opened the deaf girl - had I known she was deaf - Shaft opened in our most recent sarging trip (or was it the one before that?) Walk up to her, and give her a quick up and down. Look like you do NOT like what you see. Shake your head a bit. Then start adjusting her clothing and her hair. If she asks you what you're doing, you can lean in and say "You're cute enough, but I can make you FABULOUS!" and kino away. |
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| Author: | theslackpack [ Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:19 pm ] |
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try the cube - its quite fun and you can make it up as you go along |
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| Author: | Pongo [ Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:13 pm ] |
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jealous girlfriend Opener. this one rocks  I pulled some stuff on a co-worker HOT hispanic chick - cant remember the blow by blow (long time ago) but I made her play a movie in her head of me cheating on her and she snapped "If you ever cheated on me I'd kill you" man the look in her eyes
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| Author: | Tequila_Sunrise [ Fri Dec 22, 2006 9:27 am ] |
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I'm a fan of the cube, once you're already in. It's great and allows for plenty of creativity. Great list, Sakas. Very helpful. |
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| Author: | jacked [ Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:22 pm ] |
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sakas respect.  Nice reply
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| Author: | Monkey [ Tue Dec 26, 2006 7:03 am ] |
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I'm sorry... Is that "Fabulous" bit a direct quote from me? Without any sort of indication from whom it came? I remember the night in question, and I do not remember having ever sarged with Sakas... Bad form, sir. Bad form... But we're not talking about openers here. We're talking about what happens after the opener if you don't know how to do magic tricks, hate ESP tricks, and can't juggle. I CAN juggle, but I've only used it in-set once. There are only a few options to those of us uninclined in the performing arts. Regardless, I fear performing for a woman; I am not a particularly well-trained monkey, and I tend to get a bit upset when people assume I should do things for them. The one time I DID juggle in-set, I used it to furiously neg the girl that demanded I do it again. The options open to you are thus: 1) Make statements. 2) Ask questions. Perform them in this order of importance. Below, you will find a quote from me about open-ended statements and questions. It was originally directed at Shaft. Now it is directed at you. If you want someone to open up to you, there are two paths you can take to making that happen. The first is by asking questions, but a lot of times it becomes something like an interrogation. Rather than ask questions that involve your targets, you ask questions that can be quickly answered and then ignored. These are referred to as closed-ended questions. Open ended questions are those that elicit a more detailed response. "What?" is a very bad question. It can be answered in monosylables if desired, on nearly every occasion. "Why?" is a much better question, because it requires a deeper delving of a topic. Almost as powerful as "Why," but less psycho-therapist-ish is "How?" It allows for them to elaborate on the topic, something men are more comfortable discussing than women, while leading up to the why. Open-ended questions engage people on a level less immediately about the topic. Open-ended questions engage people emotionaly. As a horrible example you should never use in the field, "How did that make you feel?" is an open ended question. The other road is the open-ended statement. People do not ask their friends a barrage of questions, but rather make broad statements about their own experiences. "So, I went to the mall today," is something a friend may say to a friend. An open-ended statements are, in a lot of ways, just like open-ended questions. They engage on the emotional, rather than the topical. "So I went to Hawaii on vacation," is a closed statement. "I love how scuba-diving makes me feel like I'm the only person in the whole world; it's fun but it's also kind of scary," is open-ended, and invites further conversation. Engage people (everyone, anyone) on an emotional level, and you'll find that they are much more likely to be interesting people. Then again, some folk are just plain boring. They haven't been anywhere or done anything. In these cases, it's a great idea to try a spot of role-playing with them. Tell her all the wonderfully exciting/scary/sexy things you're going to do together. Describe your future adventures in vivid, emotional detail, and you'll find that even the boring people will find something to say. And always, always, always remember the 90/10 rule. If it seems they're giving less of the conversation than you are, they ARE giving less of the conversation than you are, and you need to make up for that lack. When she wants to give 50, you give 50 back, but not a moment beforehand. And if she slips back into 10, give 90 until she's comfortable again. |
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| Author: | Sakas [ Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:23 am ] |
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Quote: I'm sorry... Is that "Fabulous" bit a direct quote from me? Without any sort of indication from whom it came? I remember the night in question, and I do not remember having ever sarged with Sakas...
Very sorry my friend! It is. Bad form, sir. Bad form... I copied some posts from here (and from some of my successful attempts in the field) to a word document to use as a bit of a cheat sheet to go over before i leave the house to sarge. It screws up word if i copy text from different text frames or columns at the same time (like, for example, the 'author' section and the 'message' section). You get full credit. Hope there's no hard feelings. Respect 
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