PUA Forum :: need advice! and questions for masters...

um well i don't normally hang out with my school friends because i have to go to the worst school in the district (most guys at my school are game junkies, preppy ooh look at my car guys, or just keeping to themselves people) so i don't normally plan anything with school friends, though there is an event coming up this saterday, its a concert but i am suppose to get wasted that day which really i want, but she doesn't go to concerts because her parents etc.....

so do i just say i have plans and talk about it even though it won't really happen and try to get her number? (BTW i almost got her number before, about a month ago, but i was joking around and told her i was gonna prank call her, so she denied, which sucks cause only her best friend has her number)

also how do i DHV i get the idea but can you give me some examples on them?

Author:	xTxHxExJxOxKxExRx [ Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:26 pm ]
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ok since im in school, the selection of woman doesn't expand, so theres this one other girl i talk to, a HB9 blonde chick, and today i was talking/gamin with her, (i usually just joke with her, and its kinda hard to run game because everyone in my school knows me as a real funny guy ) well anyway i start by just chatting it up, and eventually i asked her about a thing she said to me from yesterday ( which was "shut the fuck up" in a funny way, she was laughing when she said it) heres how the dialogue kinda went.. Me: hey what was that you said yesterday? her: oh i told you to shut the fuck up (then she smiled) Me: oh really, wow your bad, i love bad girls! (she laughs) then i went to making an extended joke that lasted like 5 minutes and she was laughing through the whole thing, but then afterwards i couldn't think of what to say because i already know alot about her, so we just did whatever and class ended. so my question is, was that a proper reward? and if she has a boyfriend, and im probably in her friends catagory, do i still have a chance with her? any advice would be appreciated, but i would like to hear from the masters of PUA also

Author:	JSmooth [ Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:57 pm ]
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If she has a boyfriend you can always try to steal her away, same thing if you are in the friends zone. If you feel that you might be in the Friend Zone then you probably are. You need to be at a place where you continue through comfort but start to Kino Escalate (touching). Light touching and first and then moving more toward sexual. If you get the Friend's speech it's pretty much over, if you kiss her then it's on!

Author:	.EnVy. [ Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:43 am ]
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Alright, well it seems to me that you're kinda hiding behind your "funny" tag that you're known for around the school. What I would do in this situations is to drop the funny act. Not completely; funny is GREAT, but don't be a tool that she can just use when she wants a cheap laugh or two. You need a SERIOUS story with DHVs in them. It CAN be funny, but you're not trying to make the entire thing funny. Throw small stuff in the story so you can pick up the tone a bit. Now, you HAVE to kino escalate, man. If you're nearing the LJBF then you're going to be screwed. "The Point of no Return" SUCKS ASS! So just try to get out of the place and QUICK before it's too late. Attraction is not a CHOICE, but a feeling. If you demonstrate the five key attraction switches (not going to get into that in this post) then she will get into you really quickly. I STRONGLY suggest that you isolate this chick. Get a few people together so it doesn't seem weird the first time. Then take it from there the second time to go alone. Isolate her and kino escalate her. Remember, funny doesn't get you laid. PLAYFUL gets you laid. Punch her arm, laugh and hug her. Push her off and just say: "Okay, your time's up. Get off of me ." Walk away and come back. Pick her up off of the floor and just be like: "Ah, you look so much better in this lighting!" give her a small kiss on the forehead and just work with it, bro. The kiss might be a bit tough since she has a boyfriend, but you could get away with it . Take it easy, bud.

Author:	xTxHxExJxOxKxExRx [ Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:11 am ]
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well you see i don't know how to isolate her, and ive known her for like a month now.....i don't know how to isolate her, because the only time we are actually able to free roam the school is at lunch, and her best friend never leaves her at lunch, plus for some reason her friend doesn't seem to like me much ( probably cause were to different) so i probably can't just ask her to take a hike, i guess its a lost cause then unless you guys know any other options that are likely to work THX FOR INFO THOUGH

Author:	.EnVy. [ Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:13 am ]
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Quote: well you see i don't know how to isolate her, and ive known her for like a month now.....i don't know how to isolate her, because the only time we are actually able to free roam the school is at lunch, and her best friend never leaves her at lunch, plus for some reason her friend doesn't seem to like me much ( probably cause were to different) so i probably can't just ask her to take a hike, i guess its a lost cause then unless you guys know any other options that are likely to work THX FOR INFO THOUGH Whoa, whoa...take that mentality out of your head RIGHT NOW. It's not a lost cause, you JUST STARTED! That's even better. Alright, lunch is fine. How long do you have a good 45 mins? Okay, the friend is not happy with you. It might be because she thinks that you are after the target. What you need to do, is disarm the friend. You need to neg the HB 9 and befriend the obstacle. ENGAGE the obstacle and don't make her feel like a lone wolf, ya know? This is a GREAT piece that you can use. Bring a friend, and make sure that he knows you're after the target. First start talking to the group ALONE and then let him come join you after about 5 minutes into the set. When he comes by, let him ask you a quick question, like: "Hey, do you know where Michelle is?" It doesn't matter what the name is, let him just come in and start talking to you. Just say "Nah, man, I don't." Let him act as if he is about to leave and just say: "Oh, hey, sit down for a second, you gotta hear this." And then start a new thread. Now, you have another person in the set. you can ask a question, and let the obstacle and your buddy talk it up for a while, and in the mean time you're talking to the target. From here, you are trying to move the target. So, something like: "Hey, I need a water. come keep me company." And just get up and walk--she'll come after you. Make sure you tell the obstacle where you're going to preserve comfort level. Tell her that you'll be back. Go get the bottle and just talk the whole time you're walking with her. This is where you can get into A2 material. Or if she's already interested in you, you can qualify her and start asking her some A3 stuff. All the meanwhile, you're kino escalating. Game. Set. Match.

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Author:	.EnVy. [ Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:33 pm ]
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No worries. A1: Opening the set. Getting the conversation started with a false time constraint (I.E.: Hey, guys, would you ever (blah blah? I gotta get outta here in a second, but the reason I'm asking is that...). A2: You DHV (Demonstrate higher value) yourself, or with a wing in the set. You are raising your value while at the same time lowering her value by the use of negs (small statements that eliminate you from being considered a potential suiter: You hug the girl "Hmm, did you shower today? "). A3: The woman is legitimately attracted to you and she is qualifying to you. You BEGIN to show interest with your own IOIs (Indicators of interest). You ask her some question that would make her DHV herself to you. Since you only have 30 minutes, I would number-close her during class if the teacher isn't so anal about talking. So say something like: "Oh hey, this weekend my buddies and I are going to watch (blah blah). I can't wait. BUT DON'T INVITE HER YET. Talk about it for a little while and then after the thread (topic) is about to die, just cassually say: "Here, write your number down. I'll give you a call and you can come along." Say that as you give her the paper and pencil/pen. NOW, you've got her number. Take her wherever you want. It doesn't even have to be a movie, just starbucks is perfectly fine. I'm a huge fan of starbucks because it's great for kino and comfort.

Author:	.EnVy. [ Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:25 am ]
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Quote: um well i don't normally hang out with my school friends because i have to go to the worst school in the district (most guys at my school are game junkies, preppy ooh look at my car guys, or just keeping to themselves people) so i don't normally plan anything with school friends, though there is an event coming up this saterday, its a concert but i am suppose to get wasted that day which really i want, but she doesn't go to concerts because her parents etc..... so do i just say i have plans and talk about it even though it won't really happen and try to get her number? (BTW i almost got her number before, about a month ago, but i was joking around and told her i was gonna prank call her, so she denied, which sucks cause only her best friend has her number) also how do i DHV i get the idea but can you give me some examples on them? Alright, well the key here is to get the phone number. "Fake it, 'til you make it." Tell her that you're going with your buddies. If she asks who, just say a bunch of random names and say that they go to (x school) not your school. Then when the day comes, just call her up, and be like: "Well, I have some good news and some bad news. The bad news is that (the event) was canceled...the GOOD news is that you and I can still hang out. So, meet me at (place) and we'll (blah blah... I.E. get something to eat, drink coffee, etc.). I used this routine on an HB 8 and I Kiss closed her. Some DHV material can be anything...A story, a magic trick or a specific routine. PM me, and I'll get into details and give you some tips.

Author:	xTxHxExJxOxKxExRx [ Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:56 am ]
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ill give it a shot, but im gonna have to try to get her to go with me after school on friday, because saterday ill be wasted with a few friends i think, today he invited me to drink a shit load of stuff before the concert with him and a bunch of friends

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