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Author:  P-Style [ Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:57 am ]
Post subject:  Too slick to close?!
Ok guys this is starting to really bother me and I can't seem to find the solution to the problem. It's actually a sticking point but as very little people read that part of the forum I'll type it here.

Disclaimer: what I'm about to type isn't an attempt to show-off but a sincere problem. I know it may sound as bragging but that really isn't my intention.

I am 1m95 (6ft5) and about every girl thinks I am a model. So it's fair to say I'm concieved very goodlooking. My style of gaming is cocky/funny combined with verbal sexuality. I can pretty much make every girl laugh and smile right from the bat anywhere, anytime. (But I keep 90% of the gaming for nightclubs) I'm not hilariously funny, I can't keep my funny attitude for say an hour or so, but for the time of a pick-up I'm in the zone.

Now recently I've come across this major block. Every girl (and that you may take litteraly) says and I quote "I can score whatever girl I want as I not only am goodlooking, I'm also one gigiantic smoothtalker". And facts are facts: I can go to any girl I want and I can reach attraction phase seemlessly effortless.

But then it goes entirely wrong.

It's like girls at the point of attraction go in self-protection mode and do not want to be played. They all say the same: I'm not that easy, I'm not cheap. And bam, doors are closed. That is after they've thrown a gazillion of IOI's: touching, asking questions, laughing, large pupils.

(Other things they throw at me include "I bet you have multiple fuckbuddy's", "I don't know how many maitresses (don't know the english word for it) you've got", "you must be having sex with tons of girls everywhere".)

What I've done over the time to try overcome this problem are the following:
1. I'll DLV myself, to prevent looking arrogant or out of their league.
2. I manage expectations: I'll tell every girl I meet I'm not into LTR but I won't concieve her a slut when she's down for a night of fun.
3. Most importantly: I've quit closing. I no longer attempt to kiss a girl on the spot - to not make her feel cheap! I'll get real close, build up some huge sexual tension, but I won't seal the deal. I'll take her number, make sure she has mine and eject.


I have to admit I'm totally losing it at this stage. I'm stuck. Plain and simple.
Anyone here who's had the same problem? What would you advise I'd do?
I've talked with my wingman about it and he said I'd just have to push it as far as I can - taking the risk she feels cheap.

This sucks donkeyballs.
Author:  0uch [ Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:58 am ]
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I think you need to drop cocky funny. It works well with ugly guys.

Also, I would highly suggest you do not try to make out with girls at clubs. Built lots of comfort and pull them back to your place.
Author:  P-Style [ Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:53 am ]
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Quote:
had this problem few years back so i know why its happening.
Too much attraction>too little comfort> too little grounding >
inshort you are playing too much attraction game. And i bet you are doing mystery style
open
attract and so on
you really need to change it too
open
social comfort
breaking social comfort
attraction
i used to have this problem a few years back but after be guided by sinn i broke out of that.
Sinn explains a new style of opening phase in his latest product that is something like this
open
social comfort
breaking social comfort
then doing grouding, building attraction and likeness(new concept) all at the same time.
It literally takes just 5 minutes to do this.
Now as a side tip. You dont need to be worried about your coming across as aggressive. But you need to explain and tell them why you are what you are. You need to ground yourself and give them reasons why you behave a certain way. When they know where you are coming from and why you are behaving a certain way, they would be much relaxed and comfortable around you. And grouding also adds the element of trus
Sounds very interesting what you wrote there.
What's this 'likeness' you wrote? And how do you break social comfort? By going fastforward sexual or?

@ouch: I'm not a big fan of making out at the spot either. But maybe it creates some emotional bonding in the girl's mind. Maby she thinks she should get to know me better for her to have some explanation she behaved promiscous?
Author:  pumpington [ Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:10 pm ]
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here are some ideas for you man,

set some preferences and sexual frames early on,
discuss your likes and dislikes in women, you admire a girl who is sexually open and liberated, who will try new things, when a girl sets up these barriers to you, challenge them,
set your preferences early to disarm this form of asd, if you do she will be less likely to go against them in order to gain your approval (that she so desperately craves because she is attracted)

you can just state that you don't like women who try to sell purity, you are not into that, you like it when a girl can just relax and be real (this is an easy way to challenge the asd if you did not handle it before hand)

in reguards to all the questions about you and other girls, just say something along the lines of ''what if I do?'' then work on framing it to your advantage (either back to the preference of a sexually liberated open lifestyle, or a dislike for a judgemental attitude)

keep in mind this strategy will be hit and miss, some girls are just plain prude and you can't do anything about that, but you can do your best to handle the asd before it comes up, also try to judge how submissive she is, if she seems very stubborn it might be more wise instead of challenging the asd to just say, I understand, and escalate further ignoring it like it was never verbalized

good luck
Author:  P-Style [ Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:48 pm ]
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@Khuram: I've sent you a pm.
@pumpington: some pretty helpful tips you gave there. Thanks.
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