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Author:  Top-ster [ Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:18 am ]
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I ask because before I was introduced to the PUA community by Style's interview girls would give me their number fairly often even if I wasn't putting any "moves" on them. I do feel anxiety on the approach and my stories are still somewhat lackluster, but until now I've been doing so-so for a guy who used to avoid social gatherings altogether. I've been hearing that the better you look, the less you should neg, and that how much you neg is also based on the difference of the HB's rating to yours, so I'm curious if there's any other rules there are regarding looks. Of course I understand that there's no alternative to inner-game, but again, I'm curious.
Author:  kingafc11 [ Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:59 am ]
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dude no homo u look pretty good. but think amount of game varies based on location. think smaller cities require more where girls know theyre good looking and that every guy would pay their life savings for a romp with them. ny was easier and ppl were friendlier.

im still trying to figure the rules out but if you can pull it off some girls find shy endearing. still have AA and come off as the shy lil asian boy but this last week has been awesome.
Author:  Aceospades12 [ Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:41 am ]
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obv u know ur an attractive guy - or u wouldnt post this question

the difference is that most PUA are less attractive and less natural than u may be- BUT they can game the sht out of u and get the girl anyway

i often walk into bars and see model types standing against the wall with all guys with beers in their hands, staring and being jealous at the fact that im making out with the HB they hit on earlier

I would outgame you period - we will get the girl
We'll make u out to just be eye candy - we have substance

learn that SUBSTANCE and u will be golden
PU can help any guy - period
Author:  The Doctor [ Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:51 am ]
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As Ace said... looks are great to start with, as is confidence and whatever amount of natural game you have.

However just because your a good fighter and could kick everyones ass when you where in highschool... wouldn't make you a match for a Muy Thai Champion... Even if your genetics starting out were far superior to his.

It's the same concept here.

And also being good looking will cause women to choose you just for being who you are (an attractive male)... however a PUA can choose whatever woman he wants and she will quickly become attracted to him just for being who he is (a male with exceptionally high S value)


It goes back to survival vs. reproduction... I PUA represents higher survival value and therefore higher overall value to a woman (survival value attributes roughly 80% of female attraction)
Author:  Top-ster [ Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:17 am ]
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You guys are preaching to the choir boy. I know for a fact that looks are not the end-all determinate in game and I know that as an RAFC I wouldn't be able to out-game 75% of this forum's users, it's just that as far as the advice in this forum goes, it's most useful to your average Joe. If I were to open up an HB 7-8 and neg her after ignoring her and focusing on her companions, it would just hurt her feelings and my chances of closing anything with her would be slim to none, not to mention it would make me feel bad. That's why I asked if there are any other special rules other than to tone down on negs that would be helpful.

Once again, I know that good looks don't seal the deal, but they also don't hurt.
Author:  Ka [ Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:25 pm ]
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To me, it looks like you got the outside figured out...the inside is always the hard part.

As far as how you deal with different girls, it does depend but imo (and im sure many will not agree) i personally do not treat any target different (nor rate them).

I dont rate targets because i feel in doing so your using it as a comparitive means, in 2 ways. The obvious way is to campare targets, the not so obvious way is comparing the target to yourself.

When communicating to other PUA's the rateings help as an identifier, other then this i see little use, and more harm, in rateing.

First off by comparing 2 targets and rateing them you give one more value then another, in turn causing yourself more anxeity and/or changing your personality in a negative way with the higher rated target.

Secondly, by comparing them to yourself you further the gap in self worth and comparative value (yourself/them).

I feel its better to just feel a girl out for things like sense of humor, their perceived value (some really hot chicks are the most insecure), social awareness...etc.

Hope this helps, also the best thing to do here on the forums when you have a specific question is post it as such, you will get more direct answers that way. This post seemed more of a picture rateing post then a question about how your treat targets and rateing them.
Author:  Top-ster [ Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:24 pm ]
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That's an interesting take on it Ka, it's true that by rating women you inadvertently place the higher-rated ones on a pedestal and indeed that can cause more approach anxiety I imagine than perceiving everyone to be equal. But I think that it's the higher approach anxiety that drives PUAs to do what they do, according to The Game. If one can get over approach anxiety then the rating system shouldn't be a problem anymore, though of course not everyone can get over their anxiety in entirety.

Also what I learned from MM that women on different ratings react differently to different actions. 9s-10s usually react to negs positively, since it is something they are not used to and they would be attracted to the negger. However, if one were to neg a 6-7, they may simply shut you down for the reason that they would rather have the quick ego boost of shutting a guy down than run the risk of being embarrassed.
Author:  Ka [ Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:33 pm ]
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Yes i understand that, my point was that i circumvent any differenses in anxeities as well as addressing how to handle girls and calibrate game for each.

However instead of useing my own opinion of a target i feel them out, and calibrate based on how i think they perceive themselves. This way i am calibrating my game based on their personality as oppossed to my personal opinion of their looks.

As another topic on the system of rateings mentioned everyones perception of attraction is different, and that doesnt just mean between us guys. You say an HB8 and her friend a HB8.5...those 2 people may have a completely different perception. You go in and pay attention to what you think is the 8...their perception (the girls) is that the 8 is hotter, thus you blow the set possibly by paying more attention to what you think the obsticle is.

In other words i would goto that set, talk to both equally and mentally figure out which one has a better personality, which one is cockier, which one has a better sence of humor, and sometimes you find out the hotter one is less experienced with guys or vise-versa.

Basically my answer to your question about directing negs, is that since you should neg a target at least once, see how they react and then calibrate. Neg, if you get what you want from it, then ease up but be ready to launch a second if need be.

Hope this helps.
Author:  Claire [ Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:07 am ]
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I just want to say your Avatar is Sexy as Hell!!! I'm referring to The Rock
**drool drool*** faint***
Author:  Rye Lee [ Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:03 am ]
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I think if you treat all girls like they're beautiful, then you can get away with negging any of them. I've seen guys that are better looking than you neg an 8 and it worked just as well as when I neg an 8, or a 10. If you are using negs to beat people down and lower their value, then yeah, they won't work very well on people that don't consider themselves to have high value, but if instead you are playful with your negs, then anyone and everyone will be receptive to them. Be artful with your negs, don't toss them around like you're swinging a sledge hammer.
Author:  Top-ster [ Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:07 pm ]
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I just want to say your Avatar is Sexy as Hell!!! I'm referring to The Rock
**drool drool*** faint***
lol, thanks Claire. The Rock has been my role model since I was like 5. Considering he was a "bad guy" for the majority of his career I feel like I should be worried about that, but I'm not

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Author:  Trivial [ Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:59 pm ]
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I just want to say your Avatar is Sexy as Hell!!! I'm referring to The Rock
**drool drool*** faint***
lol, thanks Claire. The Rock has been my role model since I was like 5. Considering he was a "bad guy" for the majority of his career I feel like I should be worried about that, but I'm not

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go to thousand oaks gold gym at 630 to 730 and you can see him workout.... hes there almost every morning
Author:  Top-ster [ Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:40 am ]
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I just want to say your Avatar is Sexy as Hell!!! I'm referring to The Rock
**drool drool*** faint***
lol, thanks Claire. The Rock has been my role model since I was like 5. Considering he was a "bad guy" for the majority of his career I feel like I should be worried about that, but I'm not

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go to thousand oaks gold gym at 630 to 730 and you can see him workout.... hes there almost every morning
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*begins obtaining a membership to Gold's Gym*
Author:  Top-ster [ Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:31 am ]
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Well my star-struckedness over former professional wrestlers aside, Are there any other rules regarding how attractive one is other than negging?
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