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Author:	Paetar [ Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:41 pm ]
Post subject:	PUA vs JERK vs NICE GUY?
Hey guys, I got this little problem. There's a girl in my class, she's hot, but little un-confident. She's been having a lot of sexual suggestions from other guys, but she's still a virgin . The problem is, the guys were all either jerks either doing all the PUA stuff. Well, the rule no.1 is that PUA is exception to the rule. But, what if only exception is being a nice guy?

Author:	khalam [ Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:16 pm ]
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Thats a really interesting question. Can someone be a PUA while posing ( maybe not the correct term tough no other english word pops to mind) a nice guy. First question should be ... what is a nice guy ?(obviously there is a difference between a NG and a AFC, then again maybe there isnt ) Second ... is it possible practically , to insert typical NG behaviour into the PUA philosophy ? An open brainstorm invitation to all MP's out there (Master Players)

Author:	Gamed [ Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:06 pm ]
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Hmmm... I'm still new at this but I am thinking that you can be a nice guy but lift up your game so that you stand out. What I mean by lifting up your game is that you might show her that you are a nice guy who is caring, but more importantly if you can show that u understand her emotionally then i think that will make you stand out. If everyone is trying to get her into bed then don't show her that side of you... hide it. Instead show her the best side of you and how fun you are to be around. and that you are the leader of the group. Then she may find u attractive and she will be the one who brings it up. What does everyone think about my theory. PS: keep in mind that I am still new. I just want to know if I am on the right path or is my studies have lead me to a wrong approach. Gamed

Author:	spiderman1 [ Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:51 pm ]
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whats up dudes, im no master playa but i;ve got a bit of game. heres the thing, i dont think its a good idea to 'hide' that side of you, simply intrigue her with your game but dont be a nice guy about it. i dont know the situation too well, but i mean if shes a virgin, make her realize that there;s other things you two can do besides sex (that is until shes comfortable eenough to drop her panties for you haha). Also, you MUST let her know your intentions. give her plenty of SOI (statement of intent) usually using the word 'sexy' as juggler - wayne elise would say. bottom line, girls obvoiusly want attention and pleasure from her male companion, so dont be alittle pussy ass nice guy who holds the door for her all the time/ GIRLS WANT WHAT THEY CANT GET so make sure your in control. the thing is, nice guys dont usually get girls.. note the saying nice guys finish last. anwyays, if you come off as too big of an asshole she wont be interested. the right combination but more asshole.. you can show your nice guy personality if your in a relationship with her. at least thats how i feel about it. anwyays some input would be appreciated by the PUA's around here, monkey, xfman, (and the rest i forget your names lol) all those names i see throwing in good advice i wanna hear from you brodahs. peace

Author:	xfman [ Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:53 pm ]
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Don't be the nice guy. Be a PUA , Don't use NEG's. (NEG's are used to demostrate higher value and lower her value) She already have his ego down so you can use some DHV instead if you want and play cocky & funny and you will get her. Girls refer to the jerk guy as the guy that fuck with her feelings and your not going to make that ,, you will build up attraction by being the funny , confident, interesting guy she has ever met. Just make her laugh and make her feel comfortable with you.

Author:	Gamed [ Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:10 pm ]
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It seems that the community is saying that I should drop my nice guy image like a bad habbit... I guess it hasn't helped me in the past when it comes to the initial pick up. What does everyone thing about showing a BIT (notice i used the word bit) of a nice guy as things progress. Also while showing a bit of a nice guy (or should i say a bit more caring nature), I think that you need to still show her that you are an alpha man and can hold yourself up well and someone who is confident. I think that as things develope, you need to show more connection with her and a bit more emotion. Then things will last longer. I don't believe that these PU games will work for the long run. they are good for the initial approach but you wil have to change you game a bit later. It seems to me that most PUA tend to spend little time with someone before they move on. My goal is to find someone who will stay around. Why not make these girls stay around a bit more and enjoy it while it last. What is everyone's oppinion about my theory of how to make a long term relationship by altering your game???

Author:	Gamed [ Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:13 pm ]
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HaHa I should also point out that my long term relationships SUX. maybe its my approach... maybe I should get rid of that idea? what does everyone think?

Author:	xfman [ Sat Oct 21, 2006 4:18 pm ]
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Quote: What does everyone thing about showing a BIT (notice i used the word bit) of a nice guy as things progress. Of course you can be a bit nice guy but only when you have created attraction. Nice guys finish last .... Why ? Because they don't have the control of a frame , they aren't leaders or alpha they just let woman take over them and control alll they do , making them buy flowers , etc (once more, I agree to give buy thing to girls but only in certain points of the relationship.) Thy finish last because they are stucked with LJBF because they dont have the guts to make a bold move.... But remember if your going to be a nice , romantic guy do it at the right time , don't screw up attraction because of wussines.... (Sorry for my english).

Author:	Future [ Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:17 pm ]
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well.... in my past exp girls like the one you describe are very sensitive to the matter of sex so the only way is to manipulate the situation in your favour by using PUA tactics while posing as the nice guy e.g make her comfortable with you being in her personal space like what xfman said dont use negs you need to build a good sense of kino with her and play sensitive to her feelings as well use SOIs alot and let her know what she is tell her she is good looking but you also need to be careful...when i say careful you need to know when to pull back so that you dont land in the friend zone one she is comfortable with you in her personal space and you think you can get away with it be playful and give her a small neg but directed to yourself to falsely d.q yourself from her then move in closer with her, you need to control her feelings to attract her to you tell her the little things that she wants to hear make sure she knows you know, what i normally do is i tell a girl straight up but playfully you want me and i can prove it too lol it works for me try it and see

Author:	5m4rt455 [ Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:29 am ]
Post subject:	re-define nice guy
Right...this is pretty much my first post and it's probably not my place to disagree with such a firm concept in seduction discourse...but I think that there is nothing wrong with the "nice guy" attitude, as long as you have enough social status that your niceness is seen as an effect of superiority in a person that doesn't need to assert it through aggressiveness or selfishness. You being a wussy, in my view of things, would be the problem. Thing is every woman is different and you haven't said enough about her. Some of them do despise nice guys....

Author:	breastmilk [ Wed Dec 06, 2006 5:18 am ]
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I think the misconception here is that PUAs aren't nice... hell, we're nice, we're just not pushovers. Don't let anyone tell you that there's anything "nice" about not being confident, funny, and most importantly-- assertive! The true PUA is the guy that knows what he wants, and he gets it by giving girls what they really want: a confident and assertive man. Long story short, the PUA is the nice guy. Now... if by "nice guy" you mean a pushover.... then you really will finish last. Because as much as girls might praise the "nice guy" (which is female language for gutless coward), they will never be anything more than her friend. So don't be the female's nice guy.... be the man's nice guy... the true PUA.

Author:	jacked [ Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:02 am ]
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Dude ??? You are being lied too, no girl who is a virgin tells you that she is a virgin. You understand what I'm implying? My important advice to you is DON'T BELIEVE THAT "VIRGIN" BULLSHIT!!! She threw a DHV at you and you accepted it. Girls claiming they are virgins are demonstrating higher value of themselves. See what i'm saying??? She automatically made herself look valuable to your eye's and you are gullible. Next you will start doing her favors, or being a compliment ego boost for her. "I feel ugly" if you hear that, run. Runnnnnnnnnn. Dont' get yourself into those type of conversations, who cares about her being a VIRGIN. That isn't important.

Author:	tyson [ Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:21 pm ]
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Hi, I totally agree with jacked. It looks like she is the victim of all that pretenders but its the other way round! She is the one whos dominating. So, my tip, let her feel that virgins are not special, even a bad choice. Im sure she will start to get interested in you. Remember, you are the PRICE, not her. Tyson. Sorry for my english.

Author:	smoothie [ Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:37 pm ]
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You can still be a decent guy without playing the fucking chump. You simply show her a lil compassion but also demonstrate that you dont take any shit. Remember YOU ARE THE PRIZE! Sounds to me like all these other guys you speak about are "HITTING ON HER" you are better than that, Approach her without trying to hit on her, Gain a Comfort level where she opens up to you, Then and only then do you Seduce. "You keep the relationship casual...until the absolute breaking point" ~Tom Cruz - Vanilla Sky

Author:	Paetar [ Sat Dec 09, 2006 3:03 pm ]
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Hey guyz, thanks for all these posts. Well, it has been some time now and we are just friends - but I didn't get LJBFed, it had just kinda passed off. Maybe the thing that the biggest hooligan in town started hitting on her, maybe not. Well, I have the thing that this girl is trying to hit on me, 'cause I let her go (just stopped talking to her). I don't want her anymore anyway, but it is nice ego-boost. It is funny situation in the class anyway. I mean, one guy likes her, but fe is dipshit and smacks her everytime he passes her (you are right, he never had a girl). Other one is so fucking needy, it makes me sick. He is the one who talks about his non-existing sarging and had three one-itises in three months. But the last guy is interesting - he plays dumb and gay. I have decided to watch him, see how he will do. One more guy in my class, total gay. Well anyways, the questions remains open. I think that it is maybe good thing to make a break, just make a hole between you (not literally). If a girl gets hit on every time she goes out, the last thing I want to do is to be like others. I must say, I get a lot of attention from girls rigt now. BTW, I am doing a post about teenagers (I am a teenager) in that section, so maybe you will want to check it out.

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