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Author:  AFC Giacomo [ Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Opening and transition
I have a problem after I open and want to go to the atraction because I constantly get rejected.


I approach and open a HB with this routine:

Hey, you look like someone who can answer this question! So this girl kisses my friend, but he's gotta girlfriend. Do you think that's cheating?

The respond is almost always yes so I start with this transition routine:

You're a dog person, aren't you? We would never get along. I'm a cat guy which is why I value independence, open-mindedness, and adventure. You dog people are all clingy, needy, and supplicating.

After the transition I constantly get bad respond. They ask me, if I am some kind of a sick person and that I should grow up.

I don't know what do I do wrong. Please help me! [/b]
Author:  AFCigor [ Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:04 pm ]
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Change your transition.

I wouldn't know an indirect transition off the top of my head, but best to go direct.

"You know what.. that was just an excuse to talk to you, my names ---"
Author:  TheFreshPrince [ Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:14 pm ]
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I understand how your transition works, but it's not connected enough to the original opener, so it seems like you're going onto a whole new conversation at the beginning. Makes you seem jumpy.

Something better would be along the lines of:

"Ok. I would disagree. He didn't kiss her, and I admire this girl's sense of adventure. I mean, she didn't know my friend had a girlfriend, so there was no harm, right? But then again, I'm a cat person, so I value independence, open-mindedness, and doing what you want to do. You strike me as a dog person, Am I right? Hm. My past experiences with dog people are that they're clingy and needy."

This is an improvement, because it gets rid of her ASD early by approving of the girl's adventure. You can a few more sentences to that to break the shield down even more. You also DHV yourself by what you consider to be a cat person, then neg her with being similar to these other needy dog people, without disqualifying her, making her qualify herself.
Author:  Chief [ Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:07 pm ]
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Your problem is that you're using Mystery Method

And you're trying to use negging when you shouldn't. How would you feel if a complete stranger called you needy, clingy, and supplicating?

Use a better method. Like any of them.
Author:  TheFreshPrince [ Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:23 pm ]
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Gotta love Chief. :wink:

But I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you here on one point, man. Using the end line I suggested (more of a small tweak, really), I think it's not really a neg, but rather an invitation for the girl to qualify herself. You shouldn't be coming across as judgmental here. She just feels like she needs to prove herself; that she's not clingy and needy, and prove your expectation wrong. I think that's what Sexy Bastard was going for anyways, and just needs to tweak his line a little to get the desired effect. If you test it a couple of times, and girls are still thinking that you're coming across as judging you, just try throwing a question into the end of it, making her respond and prove other wise. Just something like "You aren't like that, are you?" or "But you seem like you're different from most dog people, am I right?"
Author:  pumpington [ Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:02 am ]
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maybe before trying to insult a girl, you should try to qualify her, and if she won't qualify herself to you, try to have some fun with her, try to add something cool to her night, neg her if she is being a jewbag or acting like your not good enough to talk to her, then proceed backwards from this statement in that order until you get her to qualify herself to you, and during this time you should be physically escalating/compliance testing
Author:  AFC Giacomo [ Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:12 pm ]
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Thnaks guys, will try it!

One girl that I used this routine on it, was so freakin hot. I felt so bad when she rejected me like this :(
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