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| Author: | Checkmark [ Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Sticking point in DHVs |
I don't really think I understand them. I am attuning the term DHV to bragging, and although I don't think a DHV is literally bragging, I feel like when I maybe go for a DHV that I am bragging. Ideas? Help? Different types and timing? I dunno haha I can open, and when given the chance, I can close, but I really struggle with the DHVs along the way. I mean sometimes they happen naturally, but I don't think I'm a natural enough that I DHV all the time passively. Thanks guys. |
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| Author: | Rundeep [ Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:03 am ] |
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Best way to show high S&R value is trough storytelling. Cues Are : Preselected Protector of loved ones Provider Leader Of Man Willingness to walk away |
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| Author: | pumpington [ Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:35 pm ] |
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ok here is the deal, it is better to do DEMONSTRATIONS of higher value, not to talk about them, if you are bragging then you are trying to qualify yourself to her, actually demonstrate your dhv's, girls find out multiple girls want to have sex with you, or see you holding hands with another girl, or see you making out, THIS IS A DHV girl sees a whole shit load of guys asking you for advice, validating you positively, following you around, qualifying themselves to you, giveing you compliance, THIS IS A DHV girl sees you stand up for one of your friends/girlfriends THIS IS A DHV girl realizes shifts in your emotional state, THIS IS A DHV qualifying yourself via bragging THIS IS A DLV (even if your like yeah... so many girls wanna bang me) now subtley dropping dhv's seemingly by accident into stories can DHV if done correct and seems congruent and usually it is a good thing to try to qualify a girl off a story, so you can pull DHV's out of her to express intrest for [/b] |
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| Author: | Checkmark [ Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:46 pm ] |
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I feel like those are all things that naturally happen, I'm not so sure I understand how to force those situations. It sounds like what your telling me is that you can't DHV on command, it just happens based on previous arrangements. So lets say I'm talking to two girls, I open them, playfully neg, fluff a bit, and then boom I feel like a DHV is in order, followed by some more fluff and light negs and transition into a kino if I have been given some IOI's. If there have been no IOI's at this point then I feel it's a dead set, I mean I would have been there for 5 minutes with not a single sign... |
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| Author: | pumpington [ Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:10 am ] |
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Quote: I feel like those are all things that naturally happen, I'm not so sure I understand how to force those situations.
dhv on command? looking for ioi's?It sounds like what your telling me is that you can't DHV on command, it just happens based on previous arrangements. So lets say I'm talking to two girls, I open them, playfully neg, fluff a bit, and then boom I feel like a DHV is in order, followed by some more fluff and light negs and transition into a kino if I have been given some IOI's. If there have been no IOI's at this point then I feel it's a dead set, I mean I would have been there for 5 minutes with not a single sign... try one night, opening direct, only neg if, 1)girl is being rude 2)girl is acting like she is too good for you, i prefer making sexual comments over negs, it breaks rapport and gets down to buisness, teasing and neging and back turns all break rapport next, stop waiting for ioi's to escalate, if you need a compliance ladder, go check out chiefs guide to outer game, or vin dicarlos escalation ladder, seriously open with kino, and starting testing immidiately to see what you can get away with, and escalate fast, until you can tell you hit her threashold, then back off a bit and work that level for a while until she seems comfortable then test the limits again, if you start doing this, compliance will be your IOI, fuck waiting for that shit, next try to qualify quickly, don't wait for the IOI's just fucking do it, if she wont qualify, then you don't have a attraction and you need more compliance momentum, try to get her to have fun as apposed to DHV AND NEG don't worry about that shit, you want attraction, FUN is the fucking best attraction switch, fun, escalation, and sexual framing will get you laid, fuck all that VALUE SHIT, but if you wan't to dhv, use your body language to convey other people are seeking rapport with you, lean back, lean against walls and lock sets in, make it look like girls are trying to talk to you not the other way around, grab hands and hold those fucking things for a while so people can see, maybe bring a camera to the club get pics of girls kissing your cheek make sure the flash is on so people see it, when in mixed sets, don't directly address male questions, don't offer compliance, give input on what people say, request compliance, try to assert active frame control and run the conversation, vocally project your voice loudly, be emotive with your verbals, when in set with friends/girlfriends, allways agree with them, allways give them more attention and validation then people you have just met, SERIOUSLY BROS BEFORE HOES, and if one of your friends is AMOG vs you, stop all this I HAVE TO BE THE ALPHA SHIT, it is stupid, don't start in tandem and when you are in tandem have a plan so that one person is not getting all the female attention, isolate targets etc. |
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