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| Author: | Binsento [ Sat Aug 25, 2007 5:23 am ] |
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If you are using an opener (or multiple), how would I go on to tell a story? And how do you jump between stories that have nothing to do with each other. It seems like it'll make everything go all over the place. Thanks, my first post here, so dont bash me too much, haha |
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| Author: | EvoJ [ Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:11 pm ] |
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You shouldn't go from random story to random story. Everyone has hundreds of stories about things that happened to them. They don't always have to be funny but the do have to be entertaining. First you throw a situational opener. Like so... Your at a bar... so is she... there is a band... she is drinking a bud light beer... she has a pink purse... her shoes are different than the rest of her dress... she has alot of rings on... she has no rings on... she is peeling the label off her bottle.. Whatever.. you choose a topic and open... PUA: walk up and glance at her rings "Hi, I was wondering if you ever wear toe rings." HB: "Umm. No" Conratulations, you have opened. Continue whatever opening you started with until it is done with minor questions or open ended statements. PUA: "Well, you see I used to know this girl who would coordinate the rings on her hands with the ones on her toes. Never though about it before but is this pretty common? I mean, do normal women coordinate that type of thing?" HB: "Not really, but I have never really worn toe rings. If I did, then maybe I would coordinate. Yeah, I probably would." PUA:" Yeah, I guess not many people from around here get the chance to wear sandles all that often. She was from florida so all that stuff must have been pretty common down there and I'm from up north in Pennsylvania so I had never seen it before." HB: "Blah something about where she lives or the fact that you can wear sandles almost anywhere in the united states or something" PUA: If you have visited.. tell a story abuot your trip "OH yeah I drove through there one time with a friend of mine. We were on our way to blah blah..." If you have never visited there.... what about near there? "Oh yeah, I ended up taking a plane up to *Blah* which is pretty near there yeah? OR you could just tell a completely new story about something dealing with stuff in her state OR about you moving here recently OR about you finding this bar your in or... Damn, have a conversation with your friends. See how you smoothly change subject from one to another. Same way with women. Think to yourself, if I changed the subject to "this" right now... if she was my friend would she say "umm. what? where the hell did taht come from?" Outside of that your pretty good. Eventually you will find (supposedly) that you can guide the subject to anywhere you want it to go fairly easy because every opener has a few key points of situational info that can easily be played into. Every woman wears clothes, accessories, has hair, nails, drinks, eats, enjoys talking, has friends, talks to people, Oh and is where you are at that very moment. (If she doesn't do or have any of these things then well thats a talking point to) Have a conversation with the woman and throw in some of the tools that are provided here when necessary such as (DHVs, Negs, and a few choice routines that never come across as routines {like Style's number thing or Mystery's "do you want to kiss me?"}). The way I look at it is that all these tools and information here is so that you can come in under the radar of her bitch shield... pass by her normal instant judgements (by using them against her) so that you can hold a normal and real conversation with her that shows all the good things about you. Atleast that is what I am thinking right now when I have had 2 hours of sleep after a night of good wholesome drinkin. So take it with a grain of salt, I hope I helped. EvoJ |
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| Author: | Alphagame [ Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:07 pm ] |
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Good advice. I have been forcing myself out of my comfort zone to get over my approach fears. So, in doing this, I often force myself to speak with men. Naturally, I'm a shy person. Initiating conversation with other men is still a little foreign to me. Over the last few months, I've initiated conversation with people I don't know dozens of times. Probably around 100 times, I'd guess. So it's not like I'm completely inexperienced with initiating conversation with strangers. When you say starting and keeping conversation with a woman is the same as it is with a man, that's not entirely true. When you initiate a conversation with a man, it's HIGHLY unlikely that he's gonna be rude. The odds of this happening with women are extremely high. Last night is a good example. My "wing" and I had opened a 2 set of women. So, I'm sitting there trying to carry conversation with this woman, during attraction. Anyway, I still haven't gotten a single sign of attraction from her, so I am telling a DHV story about how my friends and I flying out to UGA for the college football season opener next weekend. At some point during the conversation, she says something with loads of sarcasm, like "I'm really interested" or something to that effect. Dealing with this kind of shit isn't something that you'd ever encounter with a man you just met in a bar. No, carrying conversation with women is COMLETELY different than carrying conversation with men, in my opinion. Dropping rude comments, turning their back on you...these are not things men do but I'd say it happens with at least 50% of my targets. I am fine with them politely exiting the set, but when they get rude and bitchy and just turn their back on me...man that shit really frustrates a guy and makes it that much harder to approach the next set. |
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| Author: | BigB [ Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Starting a story |
Like the other guys told you just keep the convo. going and keep it interesting. Remember to that you want to make the convo. like it is between old frinds. Good friends talk about multiple things at the same time, you know what its like when you talk to a friend. A lot of times what guys will do when talking to a girl for the first time, is just drag out one topic and beat it to death, don't do this, switch it up and keep things fresh! B Quote: If you are using an opener (or multiple), how would I go on to tell a story?
And how do you jump between stories that have nothing to do with each other. It seems like it'll make everything go all over the place. Thanks, my first post here, so dont bash me too much, haha |
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| Author: | EvoJ [ Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:57 pm ] |
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Quote: Anyway, I still haven't gotten a single sign of attraction from her, so I am telling a DHV story about how my friends and I flying out to UGA for the college football season opener next weekend. At some point during the conversation, she says something with loads of sarcasm, like "I'm really interested" or something to that effect.
I understand that they can be a bit different, but in general that isn't the reason why, I think, you are getting this response. I think that you may be forcing a topic that she isn't interested in. No offence ment, but, did she bring up her interest in college football? or did you try to slide it in because you have this DHV already planned out in your head?I have a few DHV's planned out for specific situations (Such as if she gets a phone call during our conversation and such) but most of the time I just make one up on the fly about my past experiences that relates to the general topics that we are going through. Remember, she isn't going to talk to you about cats unless she likes them (UNLESS she hates them lol). But anyway, I could be completely off base with this but if you are getting a rude reaction 50% of the time... it isn't because women are different. It is something else in your game and you need to analyze it bro. If you let me know a bit more previous to your DHV's someone may be able to help. EvOJ |
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| Author: | Alphagame [ Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:27 pm ] |
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I'm not sure how it happened, but at some point she says she's a huge college football fan. It just turned out to be a topic she She graduated from Texas Tech. I don't remember if that was disclosed before or after I told the DHV about flying out to Georgia for the season opener. So her response to my DHV story was just plain bitchy, for no reason. I think the only way to win with these kind is exit the set and let her know you're not so desperate that you'll tolerate rude behavior. Stay within their sight and if you can open another set consisting of women and get them laughing and smiling right away, in other words, exhibit pre-selection, often times the one who was acting all bitchy sees what she missed. I once had a bitchy woman's friend bring me a shot and appologized for her friend's rude behavior after I had opened another set. The weird part is, I used the EXACT same "get me out of this lull in the conversation" story about the UGA season opener with at least a half dozen men over the weekend and not once did I get a sarcastic or totally uninterested response. It started a normal conversation every time. Forcing a new topic out of thin air doesn't matter. What matters is how you say it. If you speak in a boring monotone voice, anything you say will normally bomb. If you use a lot of facial expression and speak with enthusiasm, it almost always works. But sometimes, a woman will just act bitchy for no reason. Maybe it's a logical shit test...if she's rude and you don't exit the set, she's thinking you just want in her pants and you'll put up with anything. The problem is, if you exit the set and you don't exhibit pre-selection, you're blown out that way too. |
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| Author: | EvoJ [ Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:34 pm ] |
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You do have a definite point... and if she mentioned it then she asked for it. Might have been a shit test about a past BF who only talked football but you couldn't know that. Hmm. I dunno man. Wish I could help but I just dunno. |
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| Author: | trece [ Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:13 am ] |
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in savoys ebook you can find that under "transitions" very well explained. I personally dont like to think about stories too conscious its more like when you get into normal conversation after the fancy stuff she tells you she likes those freakish breakish accents and than that reminds me of a trip to London. And I want to tell her about how I experienced the accent there and now I am very conscious of the picture I am drawing of myself. I can display humor and intelligence easily along those lines, but thats not the most important stuff, i can say I was there with my friends or a girlfriend if it suits the context, i can than compare the accent to the language of my good friend bartschzruk in mongolia. And so subtle she doesnt even register im bragging(and i dont even care too much) I think your girl might have bitched because errr... am i reading this right? it sounds like a fishy try for a date without attraction(eventhough you did not mean it) like "i like football" "oh rrreally im going to football next week". Than again there might be flying so many interpretations around but anyways her reaction is gold "*ijustdiscoveredimalmightygrinandeyestothesky*OHhh my goood shee is not interessted blablabla andithoughtshereallywasinterestedinwhatiwassayingbutshejustwantsmybodylikealltheothers"(whatever suits you hf) and yes, talking to women is different. its more fun and sometimes you get naked. |
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| Author: | Caveman [ Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:44 am ] |
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I disagree with EvoJ on one thing. Sometimes it is good to just jump into a story without a transition. Act like it has been on your mind. In fact a story without too many characters can be a great opener. A series of random stories beats the hell out of a series of random questions that are BORING. Besides it's your story. You can make it sad or funny or exciting, it doesn't matter that it's random as long as she becomes interested. (In fact sometimes it's better random because she will start asking questions to try to understand. This is an IOI, the best thing to do in this case is to either ignore her questions and continue with the story, neg her, or give her answers that don't answer what she asked for) You win, she loses, she'll be eating the dick tonight. |
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| Author: | Caveman [ Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:49 am ] |
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PS... the story can be entirely false, It doesn't fucking matter. I'm hearing about this college football, blah blah blah, story you told. Ask her where she's from and then tell her a story about when you were in detroit (or wherever the fuck it is). I know a kid who is great at this. The girl gets so into it because she thinks you have something in common and then all the sudden you shut her down when she believed you |
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