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Author:  V3nu [ Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:40 am ]
Post subject:  Direct Day Game Problem
Hey guys I need some help doing Direct day game.

It is really easy for me to do indirect approaches during day time, but doing it direct it seems almost impossible. I have never done a direct approach during the day yet, so to accomplish it I decided to do baby steps, and the first one was to just come up to a girl and deliver the simple "Hey I know this is really random but you are adorable blah blah, listen I'm really late to a meeting and I gotta run, is there any way I can get in contact with you" by doing this I would just be getting used to go direct and not caring what to say next, I just had to deliver the direct opener and that is it.

But I dont feel like I can't even do that, which is really frustrating. I already went out 4 times already, and I jsut dont seem to have enough balls to do it.

Like right now I feel that this even harder than I first had done my first first approach.

BTW, I have done direct approaches during night game, but I feel day time is much more different.

I remember even Sinn saying that when he did his first direct day approach hew was like shaking. So how do u build up to that first direct approach, do you just treat it as normal AA or there some baby steps that you can do to accomplish?

Thanks
Author:  xChocolate [ Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:10 am ]
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i remember what mystery said in "the pick up artist"

He said that even the best pick up artists have AA, but they just have a way to go around it.

and to answear your question... there is a 3 sec rule, don't think, just do... if that doesn't work you should just begin with saying "Hi" to... lets say 25 girls, then say "Hi, do you know what time it is?" or "Hey, do you know where the nearest coffeshop is?" to another 25 girls.


simple things like that... tell me if it works.


also check this guy out( a guy called alex @ youtube):
http://www.youtube.com/user/SucceedAtDating
Author:  Mind Hacker [ Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:17 am ]
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I'm trying to go direct too.

Some tips for you:
The reason you can go indirect and not direct is because you're putting a shell over you. You're hiding behind the indirect approach.
So, you need to fix your inner game first. You have to realize that you're enough and don't need any material, and there's no such thing as rejection, only learning experience. Realize that the only reason she may reject you is because you didn't have confidence or time to convey your personality correctly.

A second thing is: you need to reframe your AA as something good. You're feeling this because she's worth your approach.
Also, try to put steps in your head and let go the outcome dependency. Something like: "Walk one step.", "Walk another step.", "Keep walking.", "Get eye contact.", "Say Hello". Put yourself to think and do simple steps at a time and in the end you made a big step without feeling nervous.

Now go there and say hello.
Author:  SalterdFued [ Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:23 am ]
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Do you feel confident when you go up to women and talk to them directly? its all about your confidence, if you believe you can pull it of, it will work!
Author:  Chris101 [ Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:10 am ]
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Direct is actually much better in the Day Time; I've done it many times with varying degrees of success. It's funny because I used to have tons of AA before learning about The Game and sarging, but I started going direct more in the day time before I started thinking more about indirect openers and how they can be used effectively. It's a greater mental challenge but it pushes you out of your comfort zone much quicker. Basically you have to go in strong and cool, expect to get blown-out without caring too much about it, but if they return the interest immediately it's game-on from that point.
Author:  V3nu [ Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:40 am ]
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i remember what mystery said in "the pick up artist"

He said that even the best pick up artists have AA, but they just have a way to go around it.

and to answear your question... there is a 3 sec rule, don't think, just do... if that doesn't work you should just begin with saying "Hi" to... lets say 25 girls, then say "Hi, do you know what time it is?" or "Hey, do you know where the nearest coffeshop is?" to another 25 girls.


simple things like that... tell me if it works.


also check this guy out( a guy called alex @ youtube):
http://www.youtube.com/user/SucceedAtDating
thats called indirect and I already said I have an ease doing that....
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Direct is actually much better in the Day Time; I've done it many times with varying degrees of success. It's funny because I used to have tons of AA before learning about The Game and sarging, but I started going direct more in the day time before I started thinking more about indirect openers and how they can be used effectively. It's a greater mental challenge but it pushes you out of your comfort zone much quicker. Basically you have to go in strong and cool, expect to get blown-out without caring too much about it, but if they return the interest immediately it's game-on from that point.
Do you remember your first direct day time approach? How did you push yourself to do it?
Author:  xChocolate [ Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:00 am ]
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damn, i totally misread, but i hope the link did help you atleast
Author:  V3nu [ Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:41 am ]
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damn, i totally misread, but i hope the link did help you atleast
thaks
Author:  Chris101 [ Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:25 am ]
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Do you remember your first direct day time approach? How did you push yourself to do it?
Sorry for the late reply. I remember my first purposeful, post-PUA-discovering approach like it was yesterday... as you could imagine for someone who's usually too shy to approach anyone, it was a big struggle and awkward, but a breakthrough and necessary starting point nonetheless. And luckily not a complete blow-out either. I walked past a girl sitting on a bench reading a book, and thought "alright, perfect opportunity" but kept walking instead of approaching. I quickly felt the usual dread and put all kinds of worries into my head. But I slowly down and managed to turn around and walk back (luckily she hadn't seen me). Very nervous, I tried not to make it obvious I was hovering around before coming in from the side and blurting out "I just noticed you here and wanted to say hi", which wasn't even direct or indirect... somewhere in the middle. She was a bit confused, but didn't mind me sitting down and talking to her. In my uneasy, fearful state I forgot and skipped lots of important things (which now I always try to incorporate like humour, cold reading and DHV), then she had to get back to work and left.

But I was pretty content in proving to myself I had the ability to actually do this, meet people anytime and possibly make them like you, and from then it was all about sorting out the crucial Inner Game problems and practising frequently. Pushing the comfort zone; making uncomfortable things more comfortable and normal. I still get some anxiety (like any normal person), but not nearly as much (through conditioning of getting used to rejection and not caring as much) and it doesn't affect my game as much.
Author:  V3nu [ Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:46 am ]
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Do you remember your first direct day time approach? How did you push yourself to do it?
Sorry for the late reply. I remember my first purposeful, post-PUA-discovering approach like it was yesterday... as you could imagine for someone who's usually too shy to approach anyone, it was a big struggle and awkward, but a breakthrough and necessary starting point nonetheless. And luckily not a complete blow-out either. I walked past a girl sitting on a bench reading a book, and thought "alright, perfect opportunity" but kept walking instead of approaching. I quickly felt the usual dread and put all kinds of worries into my head. But I slowly down and managed to turn around and walk back (luckily she hadn't seen me). Very nervous, I tried not to make it obvious I was hovering around before coming in from the side and blurting out "I just noticed you here and wanted to say hi", which wasn't even direct or indirect... somewhere in the middle. She was a bit confused, but didn't mind me sitting down and talking to her. In my uneasy, fearful state I forgot and skipped lots of important things (which now I always try to incorporate like humour, cold reading and DHV), then she had to get back to work and left.

But I was pretty content in proving to myself I had the ability to actually do this, meet people anytime and possibly make them like you, and from then it was all about sorting out the crucial Inner Game problems and practising frequently. Pushing the comfort zone; making uncomfortable things more comfortable and normal. I still get some anxiety (like any normal person), but not nearly as much (through conditioning of getting used to rejection and not caring as much) and it doesn't affect my game as much.
Thanks for the motivation, its really cool to hear pple being real, definitely will try my best to do the day direct in the following weeks

Cheers
Author:  TheJ [ Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:06 pm ]
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I haven't tried this myself buy I read it I believe in one of David D's newsleter.

Basically a guy made an approach and 2-3 lines in the convo after the indirect opener, he just said. "Well actually I just made that up because I though you were real cute and wanted to come talk to you".

You could try that approach as a sort of baby step to direct approach.

Another one of the same style would I believe Papa's:
Quote:
Papa: Hey...are you someone confident to accept a sincere compliment?!!!
Hot Aussie Chick: Hee...hee. Sure.
Papa: Cooool. Me too!! Hey, you go first. [pointing back to me] Fire away.
Hot Aussie Chick: Haha + {compliment on Papa's clothes or sense of humor} or Haha + {cummon face}
Papa: [if not complimented] Just kidding...[if complimented, skip the just kidding] Actually, I came over here cuz you looked like [compliment +mini cold read].
They are both direct-ish, but you get 2-3 sentences of 'small' canned talk before to somewhat loose that first layer of anxiety.

Good luck mate!
Author:  V3nu [ Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:28 am ]
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Yah I actually wanna try that one for my first one, its similar, I saw it in the yellow fever video: you go up to a chick ask a direction question, after she asnwer you say: "oh you are being to nice, I have to tell you the truth...I just came here to flirt with you..." very nice

tnx, cheers
Author:  Mister Boss [ Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:49 pm ]
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Hi V3nu. I don't know if you did a direct day approach already, but I think my personal experience may help you get motivated too. I did my very first very direct (no pre-approach BS) day approach a month ago. I too will never forget this experience, like Chris101 mentioned.

I also went out 2 times before, wandering around, not doing anything and returning home MAD. The third time, it finally happened. As I was heading downtown, I was feeling really nervous already. I guess my heartbeat was somewhere around 150 the whole trip long. When I arrived downtown, I was determined to do it this time. I walked and scanned for HB's. I began making excuses again: not attractive enough, I'll catch the next one, she's in a hurry now etc. Again, I just couldn't push myself to do it. Frustrated, I headed to the bus stop to return home again. I was feeling depressed here. My bus arrived, but I didn't get on it, instead I kept sitting at the bus stop. 10 minutes later, another bus arrived. Again, I didn't get on it. I was thinking about getting up and heading back to the streets. I had my head phones in. Then, the song "Last Resort" by Papa Roach started to play (You should check this song out). When I heard the lyrics "Cut my life into pieces, this is my last resort" I realized I was being a pussy. A strong emotion of anger took control of me. I got really angry at myself and I immediately got up from the bus stop. I guess I freaked out some people who got in my way, since I was walking very powerful. I felt like an uncontrollable force was pushing me forward. I immediately approached the first girl I saw, an HB7 walking towards me. But I wasn't relaxed when talking to her. I was still filled with self anger. I did my rap but the number close failed. Then, I felt great, really great. I didn't care about the failure at all. I was delighted about finally approaching a girl during the day, direct. I couldn't help to keep smiling. Not long after, I approached a second girl. I was relaxed and at ease. I got her number within 2 minutes.

Hope my little story helps. Good luck bro.
Author:  V3nu [ Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:46 am ]
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Hi V3nu. I don't know if you did a direct day approach already, but I think my personal experience may help you get motivated too. I did my very first very direct (no pre-approach BS) day approach a month ago. I too will never forget this experience, like Chris101 mentioned.

I also went out 2 times before, wandering around, not doing anything and returning home MAD. The third time, it finally happened. As I was heading downtown, I was feeling really nervous already. I guess my heartbeat was somewhere around 150 the whole trip long. When I arrived downtown, I was determined to do it this time. I walked and scanned for HB's. I began making excuses again: not attractive enough, I'll catch the next one, she's in a hurry now etc. Again, I just couldn't push myself to do it. Frustrated, I headed to the bus stop to return home again. I was feeling depressed here. My bus arrived, but I didn't get on it, instead I kept sitting at the bus stop. 10 minutes later, another bus arrived. Again, I didn't get on it. I was thinking about getting up and heading back to the streets. I had my head phones in. Then, the song "Last Resort" by Papa Roach started to play (You should check this song out). When I heard the lyrics "Cut my life into pieces, this is my last resort" I realized I was being a pussy. A strong emotion of anger took control of me. I got really angry at myself and I immediately got up from the bus stop. I guess I freaked out some people who got in my way, since I was walking very powerful. I felt like an uncontrollable force was pushing me forward. I immediately approached the first girl I saw, an HB7 walking towards me. But I wasn't relaxed when talking to her. I was still filled with self anger. I did my rap but the number close failed. Then, I felt great, really great. I didn't care about the failure at all. I was delighted about finally approaching a girl during the day, direct. I couldn't help to keep smiling. Not long after, I approached a second girl. I was relaxed and at ease. I got her number within 2 minutes.

Hope my little story helps. Good luck bro.
Awesome story man, tnx :D
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