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Author:  WorkEthic [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:30 pm ]
Post subject:  My 2 sticking points and crazy example from last night...

My 2 current sticking points...

First one: I am overly cocky/funny. Girls become intimidated by me (some are even afraid to say anything else, lol) because I can be that brutally teasing. It's never mean, they always laugh, but I'm a better looking dude who dresses well, pretty tall, with the body language etc., so that all mixed together and I can kinda understand it.

What usually happens is I'll get attraction, but instead of shifting into value demonstrating and connecting, I'll keep going with the cocky/funny because I either a) don't want to lose my frame as the cocky/funny, "jeez, you're such a dork" persona b)don't know how to go from that frame to value/connection (it's probably a combo of both).

What do you guys think?

And second, and this likely has something to do with the first, I see EVERYTHING as a shit-test. I get that it likely in early in the game, but even when I'm in, I still validate almost nothing about her.

Prime example, HB8.5 from last night. I really like her, cool girl. We met last Saturday and she brought me back to her place. We're in her basement hooking up, and I stop it from escalating all the way (what I do with girls I want to make long-term. I told her "we should take it slow, because I think you kinda like me and we shouldn't mess with that (lol)).

We text all week, make plans, she flakes, then calls me to make plans the next day, I cheerily oblige, then flake on her, so last night, we finally meet up at the bar, later in the night, about a half an hour before closing time, she finds me, jumps in my arms, etc, then immediately goes, "I'm going to dance."

My immediate thought is this is a test (why do I see everything as a test ?!?!) and don't follow her out there. Her best friend was right there though (who I disarmed last Saturday) so I talk to her for a sec. I told her I remember her name and give her a big hug, and then she tells me she feels bad (with a smile) because she wouldn't remember my name, EXCEPT for the fact HB8.5 has been talking about me NON-STOP all week.

She then tells me she's leaving and "Have fun with HB8.5. Just make sure she gets home safe."

I find HB8.5 a few minutes later, and she's being kinda accosted by an old bf/hookup of hers (wtf, my luck). So, I immediately AMOG him a little, say what's up with a nice ol' hard slap on the back, and then go, "hey man, I gotta talk to HB 8.5 for a second" as I pull her away to the other side of the bar.

We're sitting down, kino'ing and flirting, and then she says her ex-whatever standing by the door, all alone, looking like a fucking dweeb, and says, "I have to go talk to him for a second." So I'm just like "OK, whatever."

She leaves, I start talking up the people near me, then 3 minutes later I get a text saying that she just left with the ex-dweeb and he's walking her back to her place (just a few minutes away). She then says "Call me now."

Before I say what I did, how do YOU respond to that?

All I'll say for now is I didn't f-close (or even end up seeing her last night) and I didn't call her either because I felt like "Call me" was some type of validation-bullshit I didn't want to give into (plus she may/may not have been with this loser).

Break me down and build me up :-)

Thanks in advance.

-WorkEthic

Author:  recognito [ Sat Oct 03, 2009 10:44 pm ]
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About knowing that you are OVERLY C&F, that is what my problem was.
Initially when opening cocky & funny works like a charm, but when you shift to the attraction fase decrease the C&F and increase PUSH PULL.

Once you OVERLY neg a target, it activates the defence mechanism that women have, one more than the other, and youre not so far from blowing it up. They maybe laughing at whatever you neg them, but when the C&F transforms from charming into the OVERLY state, they will be giving the same reactions like they did when it worked like a charm...they just feel obliged to do so. So THE MOMENT you think youre going to far, pull,pull, and push and then keep on push pulling.

You pull twice after you overdid the C&F, usually you must push pull, but to make it up for you going to far, pull twice initially !


And about you seeing everything as a shittest, thats good...but the higher the HB# the more they shit test you.




About the 8.5 thing. It seems like she's a attention whore which needs a lot of attention, but WATCH THE NEGGING, negs dont work when theyre at this level of attention seeking. What you should do is; DHV! DHV to her whenever you guys meet again, just act like you forgot about she just leaving and you not calling her and the whole awkward situation. Its how you bring it, but by DHV'ing her, you are actually explaining to her that you have such a great life and do so much shit.
The art is: YOU DONT SAY IT DIRECTLY, but let her ' female assumption' assume you just have a too busy life to even bother what happened. Keep smiling!

Hope this helps,

Jafar

Author:  WorkEthic [ Tue Oct 06, 2009 4:59 am ]
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Killer reply man, good stuff.

I definitely need to work on my ability to pull, instead of so much
playful pushing.

Style always talks about a perceptive comment or compliment
to reel them back in...I would assume this is some type of cold-read...
what do you do here?

Author:  YTC [ Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:42 pm ]
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Just a newbie opinion, but my guess would be that the "Call me now." message was for her to answer the phone in front of her boyfriend/ex/other guy, and make up an excuse to get away from him, and go see you instead.
Like, she pretending it was a close friend needing help with whatever, who called.
I think you may have been able to f-close that night.

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