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Author:  Dicksaplenty [ Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Out-game a girl?
Hi guys,
This is a newbie in desperate need of some help. I've been running my game on this girl, number-closed and kiss-closed after 3 coffee dates. My game basically consists of some cocky funny techniques and lots of negs, trying to put her in the position of needing me and setting a frame that I'm in control. But lately she's been firing back at me with my own game of which this is an example:
[Via text][After a brief date]
Girl: I really don't feel like I miss you or anything. Try harder.
Me: I hate trying. Take it or leave it.
Girl: It seemed you didn't wanna leave me today
Me: I just thought it'd be cruel to
Girl: I told you I didn't need you; I don't mind you leaving me. It was you who wanted me first.
Me: You're starting to sound more interesting

I texted the last line simply because I couldn't think of a better one to defend against her attack. If this goes on I feel like my frame is gonna crack.

Any help or suggestions to solve this problem will be more than appreciated. Please note that she already has a boyfriend and we're both Asians so the ASD could be a little tougher to bring down.

Thank you,
Dicksaplenty
Author:  driberif [ Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:27 pm ]
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could just be shit test. I have ran into that problem before... realistically guys all this cocky funny and neg stuff you can only keep up for so long! It gets freakin tiring! Eventually there has to be that point where the 'pickup' is over and the conversation turns to more real and meaningful topics.

I guess I wouldn't give into her demands... however I would actively try and steer my conversation to more comfort building and meaningful topics to get to that next level.

Your texts were fine, again text messages make it very hard to read emotion.
Author:  Dicksaplenty [ Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:34 am ]
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Thanks driberif

So, same girl, same problem. I texted her today (2 days after the last date) to ask her out for a drink. This is what happened:
Me: Any plans this afternoon kido?
Girl: Lots of them. Coffee, lunch, movies, piano lesson... But I'll be in the game center so you're welcome to come see me for a while. Miss me? There's no reason for me to see you if you don't miss me.
Me: Are you gonna be with your friends?
Girl: Yeah we'll be together the whole day. You haven't answered my question yet.
Me: Cuz I don't wanna lie :))
Girl: It's ok you don't have to say what I wanna hear.
(I thought this was the time to build some comfort thus i said this:)
Me: This is gonna sound bad but don't go kill yourself. Please understand that we're merely having a fling and that if i don't miss you that's perfectly normal. Truth is yeah i miss you. a bit. But too bad I'll have to see you later; I'm really not comfortable with your friends around.
Girl: Haha that's what I wanna hear. There's no reason for me to see you if you say you miss me. Makes me feel guilty.
Me: You seem to have problems with this guilt thing. I guess i'll see you later then.
Girl: Yeah see ya. Can't really txt you now anyway.

Can anyone please break this down and tell me what's happening or which part I did wrong? Any advices would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Dicksaplenty
Author:  driberif [ Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:01 am ]
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I dunno bro, still sounds like a power trip in her head dude. Someone else jump in on this too and let us know what you think.. but I feel like you were cool through 'Cuz I don't wanna lie' but her response to that is the same shit test she keeps giving you. Why did you give in? I know it feels un natural and counter productive at times. But respond back to her with the same question. Tell her she will have to wait and find out. Tell her your not sure youll get back to her later. Get it?

And saying your not comfortable around her friends... yeah im not sure that was such a good move either. I know you wanna have a one on one session. But her friends need a buy in too, it may help if the friends fall for you too.

Hope some of this helped! Ill check back soon
Author:  Fate Adams [ Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:21 am ]
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Quote:

Girl: Lots of them. Coffee, lunch, movies, piano lesson... But I'll be in the game center so you're welcome to come see me for a while. Miss me? There's no reason for me to see you if you don't miss me.

Dicksaplenty
What i would have replied "Give me a good reason why i should have missed you? ;) "

-Fate
Author:  driberif [ Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:00 am ]
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That is a good one, would kind of lead her into validating herself. And turns the shit test around. Or even maybe push it a little more "what makes you so special that you think someone like me would miss you already?"

Or another I just thought of "wait, who is this? I don't have the number saved in my phone" with playfullness of course!
Author:  Tribalmantra [ Sat Jul 11, 2009 7:28 am ]
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Hey bro yeah ive meet chicks like this aswell.. i found when you come across a chick like this you cant always keep the upper hand 100% of the time eh.. when i did this the target got real defensive after awhile and when i would meet up with them later it would get annoying for me to listen to them and having to respond in a cf way.. you just got to know when to let her win these little games that will hit sweet spots for her.. like Struss says 'there are no rules for pick up set in stone because if it works it works'..

for example when the chick says "do you miss me?" if uve already DHV heaps, you might over do it if you say "no way.." or something on those lines.. if she thinks you have higher value, say "yeah i miss you :cry: when are u gonna visit me?" this way you went from cocky to showing interest, (set up a date) back to cocky. BUT if you havnt DHV'd at all then keep it cocky funny.

for me in my experience cocky funny is good in moderation.. but i dont use it 100% of the time.. most people get cocky funny confused with dominace.. always be dominant but also show your not always cocky.. It helped me when i learnt this. it might help for you just give it a go with a less attractive set lol

p.s. never do your guinnee pig testing on your target coz if it doesnt work you lose bad hahahaha
Author:  invincible77 [ Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:06 am ]
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DHV yourself more so she will come to you. You look like you're trying too hard and dragging it on longer than necessary.

DHV yourself better, keep the texts brief, and convey slight interest. Let her come to you. She eventually will.
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