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Author:  biggunz113 [ Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:54 am ]
Post subject:  so tonight at the bar...a few sticking points
so im new to the game...heres what went down tonight

so i went out tonight with some friends, oddly enough 1 of the guys read the game and had it down pretty good, he was opening girls all night doing the esp tricks and the 5 questions game
ive never practiced them so i felt a little silly using them

anyway the main thing that happened that night, this guy told my friend the maury opener and he used it on a girl who was with a guy and another girl. so my friend opens girl number 1......guy number 1 and girl number 2 are on either side of him

so being a good wing, i go over and say introduce me to your friends. i d disarm the guy first, turns out he was a big pussy, befriended him, and went over to girl number 2 to disarm her. so i started talking to her, got a few IOIs, but i didnt feel the conversation was going anywhere. even though i was being a wing, the girl was cute and i was trying my hand with her.

i was running out of things to talk about, and im just not a very good bullshitter, and i didnt want to be the everyday guy talking about where do you live what do you do.

thinking about it now i figure that would have been a good time to use the esp games or the 5 questions game....a big sticking point of mine is transitioning from the opener and keeping the convo going

i saw my friend leave so i bring her close to me and say listen im going to get back to my friends but if you see me again stop by and say hi (this was right after the first time i talked to her)

so my friend who is brand new to the game and has 0 knowledge, he was like im going to buy them a drink, lets go find them, i want to talk to them again, lets go see where they are. im like no no no no no.
eventually after a few drinks he just didnt listen and wandered off to talk to girl number 1 again. this happens a good 3-4 times...it was horrible

so its like 1:30 the bar is closing im thinking i dont see this going anywhere but fuck it ill go for a number close
so im talking to the girl, there was good kino all night but it didnt seem relevant, so i say were about to head out but it was very nice meeting you and id like to continue our conversation sometime, hwo can we do that?
she goes "what do you mean?" (stupid bitch)
so i take out my phone and do the unspeakable, why dont you give me your number and the four of us will go out sometime
shes like ehhh ill probably just see you around the bar, i say fair enough, talk to her for another minute or two and then we go our own ways

sticking points/questions:
what to follow up with after opener?
how to get the number close when she does what i mentioned above?
what else did i do wrong?
Author:  R.G. [ Sat Nov 22, 2008 11:09 am ]
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Haha, first of all good start. Second of all, Mystery's:
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so im talking to the girl, there was good kino all night but it didnt seem relevant, so i say were about to head out but it was very nice meeting you and id like to continue our conversation sometime, hwo can we do that?
she goes "what do you mean?" (stupid bitch)
Doesn't work, atleast not when I've field tested it. I thought exactly the same thing as you, stupid bitch. So I stopped using that as a number close. I don't go for number closes anymore, only to finish off a k- or f-close, but I can get pretty much any girl's number in 10-15 mins.

The way I would number close if you're going exclusively for a number close is usually to neg/freeze her out by bringing my phone out and checking a text or pretending to check a text, then qualify her and say something like "Yeah, I'm pretty busy this week but you seem kinda different, maybe we can meet up sometime" and hand over the phone ON THE CONTACTS PAGE. This has to be done with a carefree, dominant and alpha attitude. SHE needs your number, not the other way.

Really, I've found with number closes that it's not really the number close that cuts it, but your game before that. If you've played solid game, she'll be begging for your number, or when you mention it she'll pounce at the opportunity. The bitch probably blew you out because your game wasn't solid enough.

Transitioning from the opener. I had this sticking point when I first started. Best thing to do is to have some canned material ready. Other things you can do is;

1. make a comment about what she's wearing
2. comment about what type of person she seems like
3. guess her name
4. guess her nationality
5. slap her (YES, slap her, it works)
6. qualifying phrases e.g. "Is there more to you than meets the eye?", "So what makes you special?" "You are adventurous, aren't you?"
7. DHV stories
8. Start hitting her (Again, it works)

Etc etc.

If conversation really sucks, just freeze her out and game her friend or the guy. Make it seem as if SHE was boring, because often, as mystery says, the girl will make boring conversation threads or none at all and then later blame YOU for being boring.

Once you get good you will no longer have use for your canned material.

Hope this helps.
Author:  Roark [ Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:37 pm ]
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5. slap her (YES, slap her, it works)
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8. Start hitting her (Again, it works)

You seem like a very knowledgeable guy, but how does this kind of kino work, and how would you transition into hitting or slapping?

I like your other ideas though, I always seem to have transition problems into comfort building and attraction, never really opening, and those suggestions seem like great ideas. I'll have to try them out!
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