PUA Forum :: Married or women with bf's always have LMR guilt trips?

I went through a phase of hooking up with girls with bfs all the time. It was like some sort of fetish for me. As a result, I am VERY familiar with all of the emotional dynamics involving guilt and all that stuff.

I see one glaringly obvious problem with your process:

Quote:

Every time a married woman or woman with a boyfriend shows obvious signs of sexual interest in me, she will have no trouble at all giving me her PRIVATE contact info, yet a couple days later they ALWAYS have what I like to call an LMR guilt trip melt down.

I emailed this woman proposing a day, time and place to meet with me and this is the bullshit reply I just got:

I'm sorry . I couldn't lies to my husband .
So I can't meet you in tomorrow.
I'm so sorry.

It looks like you're being too direct too early. You need to give them more "plausible deniability" by being more indirect. You need to give them enough space to believe that they could just be meeting you for a drink as a "friend" or something just as innocent.

For what reason other than sex would you want to meet her?
Why would a girl with a boyfriend (or husband) go to a club guilt-free?
We men all know that clubs are places where you go to find partners for sex.
Women, however, tell themselves that they like to go to the club "just to dance and have fun with girlfriends."

ASD works in interesting ways when it comes to the mental gymnastics involved.
The impression you're giving is that, if these women come to meet you, it would definitely just be for sex.
That leaves more room for this so-called "LMR guilt trip melt down" to happen because you're basically giving them too much room to think about the potential future sex. You want to keep them in the present moment as much as possible, as is the key with all aspects of seduction.

I've never gotten the "I'm sorry I can't meet you because I couldn't lie to my bf/husband" because they never had to lie in the first place. The bfs knew their gfs were meeting me (just a friend) for a drink just to innocently hang out.

Careful, though. Karma can be a bitch.

Author:	alienboy [ Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:13 am ]
Post subject:	Married or women with bf's always have LMR guilt trips?
Every time a married woman or woman with a boyfriend shows obvious signs of sexual interest in me, she will have no trouble at all giving me her PRIVATE contact info, yet a couple days later they ALWAYS have what I like to call an LMR guilt trip melt down. I emailed this woman proposing a day, time and place to meet with me and this is the bullshit reply I just got: I'm sorry . I couldn't lies to my husband . So I can't meet you in tomorrow. I'm so sorry. Excuse the bad English...she is Japanese because I'm living in Japan now. Anyway, this shit happens all the time and it pisses me off so much. It happened in the US and now it is happening here. It is like a curse that follows me wherever I go. I actually want to just rudely tell her off, but that is a really beta thing to do. I really need some serious advice with how to keep women from pulling this shit on me?

Author:	Chief [ Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:32 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Married or women with bf's always have LMR guilt trips?
I went through a phase of hooking up with girls with bfs all the time. It was like some sort of fetish for me. As a result, I am VERY familiar with all of the emotional dynamics involving guilt and all that stuff. I see one glaringly obvious problem with your process: Quote: Every time a married woman or woman with a boyfriend shows obvious signs of sexual interest in me, she will have no trouble at all giving me her PRIVATE contact info, yet a couple days later they ALWAYS have what I like to call an LMR guilt trip melt down. I emailed this woman proposing a day, time and place to meet with me and this is the bullshit reply I just got: I'm sorry . I couldn't lies to my husband . So I can't meet you in tomorrow. I'm so sorry. For what reason other than sex would you want to meet her? It looks like you're being too direct too early. You need to give them more "plausible deniability" by being more indirect. You need to give them enough space to believe that they could just be meeting you for a drink as a "friend" or something just as innocent. Why would a girl with a boyfriend (or husband) go to a club guilt-free? We men all know that clubs are places where you go to find partners for sex. Women, however, tell themselves that they like to go to the club "just to dance and have fun with girlfriends." ASD works in interesting ways when it comes to the mental gymnastics involved. The impression you're giving is that, if these women come to meet you, it would definitely just be for sex. That leaves more room for this so-called "LMR guilt trip melt down" to happen because you're basically giving them too much room to think about the potential future sex. You want to keep them in the present moment as much as possible, as is the key with all aspects of seduction. I've never gotten the "I'm sorry I can't meet you because I couldn't lie to my bf/husband" because they never had to lie in the first place. The bfs knew their gfs were meeting me (just a friend) for a drink just to innocently hang out. Careful, though. Karma can be a bitch.

Author:	JackZero [ Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:41 am ]
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This isn't LMR. This is the result of being able to think things over. They may have been in the moment but you let those moments cool and you lose out. Maybe you should try single women.

Author:	alienboy [ Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:46 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Married or women with bf's always have LMR guilt trips?
Quote: I went through a phase of hooking up with girls with bfs all the time. It was like some sort of fetish for me. As a result, I am VERY familiar with all of the emotional dynamics involving guilt and all that stuff. I see one glaringly obvious problem with your process: Quote: Every time a married woman or woman with a boyfriend shows obvious signs of sexual interest in me, she will have no trouble at all giving me her PRIVATE contact info, yet a couple days later they ALWAYS have what I like to call an LMR guilt trip melt down. I emailed this woman proposing a day, time and place to meet with me and this is the bullshit reply I just got: I'm sorry . I couldn't lies to my husband . So I can't meet you in tomorrow. I'm so sorry. It looks like you're being too direct too early. You need to give them more "plausible deniability" by being more indirect. You need to give them enough space to believe that they could just be meeting you for a drink as a "friend" or something just as innocent. For what reason other than sex would you want to meet her? Why would a girl with a boyfriend (or husband) go to a club guilt-free? We men all know that clubs are places where you go to find partners for sex. Women, however, tell themselves that they like to go to the club "just to dance and have fun with girlfriends." ASD works in interesting ways when it comes to the mental gymnastics involved. The impression you're giving is that, if these women come to meet you, it would definitely just be for sex. That leaves more room for this so-called "LMR guilt trip melt down" to happen because you're basically giving them too much room to think about the potential future sex. You want to keep them in the present moment as much as possible, as is the key with all aspects of seduction. I've never gotten the "I'm sorry I can't meet you because I couldn't lie to my bf/husband" because they never had to lie in the first place. The bfs knew their gfs were meeting me (just a friend) for a drink just to innocently hang out. Careful, though. Karma can be a bitch. She sent me a follow up email not long after the initial "rejection" email: At some other time. Maybe at some other time...she is willing to lie to her husband, but just not now wtf? She came onto me very strongly. She hugged me and even said I have a sexy voice. She gave me her email and when I proposed a sexy date, she gave me another more private email that her husband doesn't know about...yet she doesn't want to lie? She already lied lol. Anyway, that last email makes it seem like she hasn't closed the door on me all the way. I sent her a simple email asking her for her number and that we could maybe just talk because I only have her email now. Still no reply and something tells me she isn't going to give me it today or ever. I'm trying to find out what I could say to keep in contact? I was thinking about maybe inviting her on a casual lunch meet up or something innocent sounding, but part of me wants to just tell her that I will meet up with another woman tonight to give her the impression that I'm a fun guy that women desire? It wouldn't be a lie as I will be dating another woman tonight (she doesn't know about that though).

Author:	alexblu38 [ Mon May 02, 2016 11:44 pm ]
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That's always the type of women i run into. Never a single one. If i do get a single one they flake. The married ones always wanna be saved.

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Author:	ChocolatePUA [ Thu May 05, 2016 7:58 pm ]
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Quote: Every time a married woman or woman with a boyfriend shows obvious signs of sexual interest in me, she will have no trouble at all giving me her PRIVATE contact info, yet a couple days later they ALWAYS have what I like to call an LMR guilt trip melt down. I emailed this woman proposing a day, time and place to meet with me and this is the bullshit reply I just got: I'm sorry . I couldn't lies to my husband . So I can't meet you in tomorrow. I'm so sorry. Excuse the bad English...she is Japanese because I'm living in Japan now. Anyway, this shit happens all the time and it pisses me off so much. It happened in the US and now it is happening here. It is like a curse that follows me wherever I go. I actually want to just rudely tell her off, but that is a really beta thing to do. I really need some serious advice with how to keep women from pulling this shit on me? Not enough comfort. And you probably didn't establish much sexual rapport/have enough escalation on the meeting either. A woman hugging you and saying you have a sexy voice doesn't mean she's ready to jump your bones. YOU have to get her there.

Author:	Johnny Utah [ Thu May 12, 2016 2:10 pm ]
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We have met up at a chill park at night and she drank a little beer with me, we made out for a little while and it got to a handjob before someone else at the park was walking over to the area we were in. She was worried about being seen, but I was able to get her to focus on me and tune out others. She still needed to take it slow. I will try to take it further next time.

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