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Author:  NVB_2 [ Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Rebuttals

Twice in the last week, I've had a problem after my approaches. I built rapport, created attraction, escalated, everything. I even got IOI's back.... But when it came time to number close it, one time I got "I don't give my number out to guys on the street." And the other, "I don't give my number out at the gym." I had no idea how to rebuttal that, because when they say "I don't" it seems very firm, and there's nothing I can do.
So my question is: Do they actually just never give their numbers out in those situations, or is there something I could say there in order to close it?

Author:  JackZero [ Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rebuttals

Sometimes girls just play along with you to be polite and some enjoy a flirtatious interaction. They know that you're being flirty and they flirt back. It doesn't necessarily mean that they're interested though. IMO, I think one of the worst things you can do is try to give a rebuttal in order to get a number. You'll end up pushing back the rejection for a later date or time. I also think that your time to be at your most attractive is when you are standing in front of her, so if she doesn't want to give you her number there's hardly anything that you can do to make yourself more attractive when you walk away, unless you're trying to lead her to some picture of you on social media punching a shark (or something similar).

Author:  Eddie Fews [ Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rebuttals

Challenge them.

How would you rather tell people you met your guy.. You online dated on okcupid going on date after date with weirdo after wierdo until you finally found someone you clicked with or the right guy confidently walked up to me on the street and swept me off my feet? Don't be silly.. Whats your number?

However, if you're getting these objections you're still not building up enough rapport. Only settle for the number if you can't get something higher. If you have the time go for the coffee. Too many guys fearfully try to get in and get out just so they can avoid any potential awkwardness and feel like they "won". And because of this they get a lot of flakes. They win the little battle, but lose the war. Try your best to win the war right then and there. You should be taking numbers reluctantly because you couldn't get anything else.

Go in the build the connection, not just to get the number and run. They'll get to thinking "What do you want my number for if you can't even maintain a conversation with me in person? In person is what this is all about isn't it? "

You have the girl in front of you, why go for the number just to talk to her from a distance and get her in front of you again. Thats backwards. Take advantage of every opportunity while its there.

Author:  Dragula [ Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rebuttals

Majority of girls are just not sexually available, approach 50 girls without any numbers and dates then it could be a fundamental issue. This community is too concerned about seducing every single girl and that it is a problem with your game. It is bollocks. It isn't always about your game. it's about finding the girls that like you.

There is no conclusion with 2 girls. Nada.

For me, it's like throwing a basket ball from the half way line, most will miss but you get the odd dunk. So put the throws in.

Author:  NVB_2 [ Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rebuttals

Quote:
Challenge them.

How would you rather tell people your guy.. You online dated on okcupid going after date after with weirdo and wierdo until you finally found someone you clicked with or the right guy confidently walked up to me on the street and swept me off my feet? Don't be silly.. Whats your number?

However, if you're getting these objections you're still not building up enough rapport. Only settle for the number if you can't get something higher. If you have the time go for the coffee. Too many guys fearfully try to get in and get out just so they can avoid any potential awkwardness and feel like they "won". And because of this they get a lot of flakes. They win the little battle, but lose the war. Try your best to win the war right then and there. You should be taking numbers reluctantly because you couldn't get anything else.

Go in the build the connection, not just to get the number and run. They'll get to thinking "What do you want my number for if you can't even maintain a conversation with me in person? In person is what this is all about isn't it? "

You have the girl in front of you, why go for the number just to talk to her from a distance and get her in front of you again. Thats backwards. Take advantage of every opportunity while its there.
Holy shit. Preach. I love this dude hahaha totally gonna put it to use... And about what you said, I totally get you. I always go for the instant date, these two particular girls just happened to be in a rush. The convos topped out at maybe 3 minutes each.

Author:  nickpad1 [ Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Rebuttals

Quote:
Challenge them.

How would you rather tell people you met your guy.. You online dated on okcupid going on date after date with weirdo after wierdo until you finally found someone you clicked with or the right guy confidently walked up to me on the street and swept me off my feet? Don't be silly.. Whats your number?

However, if you're getting these objections you're still not building up enough rapport. Only settle for the number if you can't get something higher. If you have the time go for the coffee. Too many guys fearfully try to get in and get out just so they can avoid any potential awkwardness and feel like they "won". And because of this they get a lot of flakes. They win the little battle, but lose the war. Try your best to win the war right then and there. You should be taking numbers reluctantly because you couldn't get anything else.

Go in the build the connection, not just to get the number and run. They'll get to thinking "What do you want my number for if you can't even maintain a conversation with me in person? In person is what this is all about isn't it? "

You have the girl in front of you, why go for the number just to talk to her from a distance and get her in front of you again. Thats backwards. Take advantage of every opportunity while its there.
Oh shit I dig that, and it makes sense, cause think of how many dudes get hyped when they get a chicks number... it really isn't all that special. A lot of girls will give their number out just cause they "want to be nice". Hit them with that coffee move right after though, ehh? I dig.

Author:  ChocolatePUA [ Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rebuttals

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Challenge them.

How would you rather tell people your guy.. You online dated on okcupid going after date after with weirdo and wierdo until you finally found someone you clicked with or the right guy confidently walked up to me on the street and swept me off my feet? Don't be silly.. Whats your number?

However, if you're getting these objections you're still not building up enough rapport. Only settle for the number if you can't get something higher. If you have the time go for the coffee. Too many guys fearfully try to get in and get out just so they can avoid any potential awkwardness and feel like they "won". And because of this they get a lot of flakes. They win the little battle, but lose the war. Try your best to win the war right then and there. You should be taking numbers reluctantly because you couldn't get anything else.

Go in the build the connection, not just to get the number and run. They'll get to thinking "What do you want my number for if you can't even maintain a conversation with me in person? In person is what this is all about isn't it? "

You have the girl in front of you, why go for the number just to talk to her from a distance and get her in front of you again. Thats backwards. Take advantage of every opportunity while its there.
Holy shit. Preach. I love this dude hahaha totally gonna put it to use... And about what you said, I totally get you. I always go for the instant date, these two particular girls just happened to be in a rush. The convos topped out at maybe 3 minutes each.
Unless she's REALLY into you, or in a very happy mood, trying to get a number quickly usually backfires.

As much as other's don't recommend, sometimes I'll go for the Facebook. A bit more low pressure and just as useful, sometimes more, than a number.

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