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Thanks, that makes sense, but it doesn't really tell me what I should do to improve. Are there any products that you would recommend for someone on my level? I've been studying RSD stuff for a while and it's gotten me from beginner to the point that I'm at now, but I think I've hit a plateau. I was thinking maybe David Deangelo cocky funny would be a good source to study. Is this a good idea?

I don't think looks are the problem, I've been told by women that I'm a good looking guy, I'm 6 feet tall, and pretty ripped. The sticking point is my game.

Thanks, that makes sense, but it doesn't really tell me what I should do to improve. Are there any products that you would recommend for someone on my level?

If you are good looking, as you say, it's getting you to the point of being able to get a number but something else is killing your attractiveness.

What's your reason for texting instead of calling?

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If you are good looking, as you say, it's getting you to the point of being able to get a number but something else is killing your attractiveness.

What's your reason for texting instead of calling?

It's hard for me to gauge if women think I'm good looking. I mean no woman has ever called me ugly, and I'm legitimately more ripped than 90% of other guys, I'm religious about the gym and nutrition.

I text instead of call because that's how people usually communicate these days. I've found that a lot of times girls don't answer the phone when you call, they might be busy or just not into actually talking on the phone, and they'll text me back later or they won't. My intuition is that calling and then waiting for her to call you back is a recipe for disaster. What are your thoughts on this?

Now I'm confused, you are saying that you go out with these girls and after a date they don't call you back? I was believing that you were getting a number and then they not return your text.

Btw...that text game you have is terrible.

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Thanks man I'm doing my best to improve, it's a slow process. It varies from girl to girl, the most common situation is that I'll get a number and she will go cold after a bit, but there have been quite a few first dates and then she goes ghost. What would you suggest I do to improve?

Why the fuck should HB8s or 9s want to fuck you? Who the fuck do you think you are? You can only get 6s or 7s because you are probably a 5. Be grateful for what you have dude. A guy who is a 9 or a 10 wouldn't go for a fucking 6 would he? Christ you guys are so fucking hopeless at everything you do. Where are your fucking brains? You think you are entitled to every fucking girl you set eyes on and then cry like fucking babies when they ignore you. Jesus you are so far up your own asses it's no wonder you are all so fucking clueless. Stop kidding yourselves that you are all that and stop going for girls who wouldn't give you the time of fucking day. They don't want you. Fucking deal with it and get over yourselves.

Author:	ASmooth90 [ Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:13 pm ]
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I have a couple of 6s and 7s lined up that want to bang me but I can't seem to get the same results with 8s 9s and 10s. I run the same type of game with all of them, a mix of cocky funny, push pull, and kino escalation. I don't run routines because I have tried in the past and I did not get consistent results, plus the routines didn't mesh so well with my personality. My game works well on the 6s and 7s, but for an unknown reason, the hotter girls either 1) don't answer texts regarding a day 2, or 2) they don't answer texts at all. The stock advice is that I'm not building enough of a connection in the initial interaction, and I know this. But my approach is working for the slightly less attractive girls, so why am I not progressing with the hotter ones? My own theory is that maybe I'm attaching more subjective value to these hot girls, and thus acting more needy and less in abundance. I want to hear other theories, or at least build on mine though. Thanks.

Author:	CharlesFinley [ Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:48 pm ]
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Those 6s and 7s have only a handful of guys trying to get into their pants... And you're succeeding because you're the best of the options available to them and you're playing them well for 6s and 7s (you likely don't care as much whether you're successful. They can probably sense that). With higher caliber girls, you need to bring more to the table. Those 8s, 9s and 10s all have a LOT more guys vying for their attention. They have their pick, and you are not standing out from the crowd... Whether that's a looks-based thing, or whether you aren't being engaging/witty enough.

Author:	ASmooth90 [ Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:51 pm ]
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Thanks, that makes sense, but it doesn't really tell me what I should do to improve. Are there any products that you would recommend for someone on my level? I've been studying RSD stuff for a while and it's gotten me from beginner to the point that I'm at now, but I think I've hit a plateau. I was thinking maybe David Deangelo cocky funny would be a good source to study. Is this a good idea? I don't think looks are the problem, I've been told by women that I'm a good looking guy, I'm 6 feet tall, and pretty ripped. The sticking point is my game.

Author:	JackZero [ Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:25 pm ]
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Quote: Thanks, that makes sense, but it doesn't really tell me what I should do to improve. Are there any products that you would recommend for someone on my level? I've been studying RSD stuff for a while and it's gotten me from beginner to the point that I'm at now, but I think I've hit a plateau. I was thinking maybe David Deangelo cocky funny would be a good source to study. Is this a good idea? I don't think looks are the problem, I've been told by women that I'm a good looking guy, I'm 6 feet tall, and pretty ripped. The sticking point is my game. Right now it's not about what you should study, it's about what you need to figure out that's lowering your value. If you are good looking, as you say, it's getting you to the point of being able to get a number but something else is killing your attractiveness. What's your reason for texting instead of calling?

Author:	CharlesFinley [ Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:33 pm ]
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Quote: Thanks, that makes sense, but it doesn't really tell me what I should do to improve. Are there any products that you would recommend for someone on my level? JackZero is right - you need to identify what's taking you out of the running with these girls first. There's no product or magic bullet to land 10s. If you are losing them in the texting stage, post up some messages (or PM them to me). I can try to point out what's wrong...

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Author:	breedlove465 [ Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:04 pm ]
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I feel like there's just not enough info to go off of. When I first started, 6 and 7's were the first girls that really really responded well to my advances. It did take some improvement before I got any traction with higher caliber girls. Even to this day, it's just harder to game more attractive girls. Not that you can't do it, it's very possible, but I think it's always a case, at least for me, that your success rating goes down with hotter or more high value girls. Just because they have so many guys to pick from and a very short attention span because they have tons of friends, a very active social life and tons of guys chasing them. They are busy and smell bullshit a mile away. I'd say practice and get good. That's all I did. I never took any courses or bought anything. Hit on the high value girls, figure out exactly where you think they are losing attraction, figure out if you aren't creating enough attraction etc.

Author:	ASmooth90 [ Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:24 am ]
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I think it's a problem with my behavior during the date, because they text me back before the date. For example, last date I had with a solid 8 or 9ish, I focused on keeping her laughing and kino escalation. I didn't get very far because she said she had to go to her friend's birthday party. That same night, I sent her a message: "Hey I hope you get home safe " She did not respond to this one. I waited three full days (the date was Saturday night), and I texted her on Tuesday, "Hey Jess, how was your friend's party the other night?" 8 hours later, there is still no response. Another girl, a solid 9 or 10, was playing hard to get from the very beginning. I took her number because she couldn't hang out with me that same night, because she was with her girlfriends for one of their birthdays. Here are some highlights from the text convo: "Hey it's Al, save this number, it might be the most important number you'll ever get " Her: "Haha wow okay " I tried to convince her to meet up with me and my friends at another bar, she said she couldn't because of her friend's birthday bla bla bla. The next day, we were talking, and she mentioned that she's leaving for Texas in 3 weeks. ME: "It's too bad you're leaving, but it is my intention to make you my temporary girlfriend until you leave " "But once you move you'll have to be relegated to text gf status, sorry" Her: Bahaha okay that's fair ME: "So temporary gf, let's have a frank discussion about our favorite sexual positions haha" No response. 2 days later: "Hey, all joking aside, I think you looked stunning the other night and I felt like we had some sort of instant connection. Tell me about yourself." (looking back now I think this one may have been weak.) No response as of 30 hours later.

Author:	ASmooth90 [ Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:27 am ]
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Quote: If you are good looking, as you say, it's getting you to the point of being able to get a number but something else is killing your attractiveness. What's your reason for texting instead of calling? It's hard for me to gauge if women think I'm good looking. I mean no woman has ever called me ugly, and I'm legitimately more ripped than 90% of other guys, I'm religious about the gym and nutrition. I text instead of call because that's how people usually communicate these days. I've found that a lot of times girls don't answer the phone when you call, they might be busy or just not into actually talking on the phone, and they'll text me back later or they won't. My intuition is that calling and then waiting for her to call you back is a recipe for disaster. What are your thoughts on this?

Author:	JackZero [ Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:41 am ]
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Quote: Quote: If you are good looking, as you say, it's getting you to the point of being able to get a number but something else is killing your attractiveness. What's your reason for texting instead of calling? It's hard for me to gauge if women think I'm good looking. I mean no woman has ever called me ugly, and I'm legitimately more ripped than 90% of other guys, I'm religious about the gym and nutrition. I text instead of call because that's how people usually communicate these days. I've found that a lot of times girls don't answer the phone when you call, they might be busy or just not into actually talking on the phone, and they'll text me back later or they won't. My intuition is that calling and then waiting for her to call you back is a recipe for disaster. What are your thoughts on this? I was trying to gauge where things are going wrong. Now I'm confused, you are saying that you go out with these girls and after a date they don't call you back? I was believing that you were getting a number and then they not return your text. Btw...that text game you have is terrible.

Author:	ASmooth90 [ Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:47 am ]
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Quote: Now I'm confused, you are saying that you go out with these girls and after a date they don't call you back? I was believing that you were getting a number and then they not return your text. Btw...that text game you have is terrible. Thanks man I'm doing my best to improve, it's a slow process. It varies from girl to girl, the most common situation is that I'll get a number and she will go cold after a bit, but there have been quite a few first dates and then she goes ghost. What would you suggest I do to improve?

Author:	JackZero [ Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:25 am ]
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Quote: Quote: Now I'm confused, you are saying that you go out with these girls and after a date they don't call you back? I was believing that you were getting a number and then they not return your text. Btw...that text game you have is terrible. Thanks man I'm doing my best to improve, it's a slow process. It varies from girl to girl, the most common situation is that I'll get a number and she will go cold after a bit, but there have been quite a few first dates and then she goes ghost. What would you suggest I do to improve? First off, and remember I don't know what you normally do, is that I would advise that when you get a number let her know up front that you are going to call her with the intent of going out. Most of the time when you do this, if she is not interested she will not give you the number and that will equal less flakes. Second, don't get into text game if you don't have to. Texting is nothing but reading and unless you know how to write eloquently and you will not be able to evoke much emotion from her unless you are texting about something she has a passion for. So call her and tell her when you want to meet up with her. Once you meet up with her, your primary goal should be getting her to go back to where you live or where she lives. Don't plan on having dinner and a KClose. You can do as much push/pull and kino as you want, but you want her to see you in a sexual way and that won't usually happen doing a dinner and a movie type of date. Optimally, you want to meet up and have drinks and make her comfortable with you and invite her to join you for a movie on your couch where you can escalate to intimate kino. This should be the type of game plan that you go with. Even if you don't have sex on your day 2, she will see you as sexually attractive. If she sees you sexually attractive, she is going to answer when you call or text.

Author:	Danny55 [ Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:59 pm ]
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Why the fuck should HB8s or 9s want to fuck you? Who the fuck do you think you are? You can only get 6s or 7s because you are probably a 5. Be grateful for what you have dude. A guy who is a 9 or a 10 wouldn't go for a fucking 6 would he? Christ you guys are so fucking hopeless at everything you do. Where are your fucking brains? You think you are entitled to every fucking girl you set eyes on and then cry like fucking babies when they ignore you. Jesus you are so far up your own asses it's no wonder you are all so fucking clueless. Stop kidding yourselves that you are all that and stop going for girls who wouldn't give you the time of fucking day. They don't want you. Fucking deal with it and get over yourselves.

Author:	ASmooth90 [ Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:23 pm ]
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Quote: Why the fuck should HB8s or 9s want to fuck you? Who the fuck do you think you are? You can only get 6s or 7s because you are probably a 5. Be grateful for what you have dude. A guy who is a 9 or a 10 wouldn't go for a fucking 6 would he? Christ you guys are so fucking hopeless at everything you do. Where are your fucking brains? You think you are entitled to every fucking girl you set eyes on and then cry like fucking babies when they ignore you. Jesus you are so far up your own asses it's no wonder you are all so fucking clueless. Stop kidding yourselves that you are all that and stop going for girls who wouldn't give you the time of fucking day. They don't want you. Fucking deal with it and get over yourselves. Haha this coming from a guy who probably never gets laid. Did your mommy tell you that you're a special snowflake? We're a fucking community of men dedicated to self-improvement and actualization of our true potential. I have fucked 9s and 10s, but it's a sticking point because it's not consistent. Achieving success with women is a skill, just like anything else in life it takes practice, internalization of core principles, and dedication. You have a failure oriented mindset, and until you fix that you're going to keep being a chode. Best of luck in life, you're going to need it.

Author:	Konnect Life [ Sun Feb 08, 2015 10:24 pm ]
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LOL! You guys think Danny55 is new? Don't you all remember how there was always this one guy (or possibly a woman?) in many of the older posts who would come out of left field and post things to criticize the OP then involve everyone else in the criticism? I believe it's the same person but new name. Only difference is (usually) no one responded to him back when he had a different name. Now I see that someone has quoted and responded to him in the past two forum subjects I saw that he posted in. In my opinion, I think his posts are more entertaining than insulting, so I'm not complaining about him (or her). His posts don't upset me, but rather make things more amusing and interesting. The Danny55 person is obviously not completely serious with the content he posts. I wouldn't respond to it.

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Author:	wilyone [ Sun Feb 08, 2015 11:56 pm ]
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Female here. I have some feedback on your texts. Many of them are great but a few would be a real turn-off for me. The ones that she responded to were great. Boring--hope you get home safe Annoying--How was your friend's party? I don't want to spend time entertaining you with anecdotes, and if you're really interested in hearing details about this then your value is clearly LOWER than mine. Too sexually forward--Let's share details about favorite sexual positions. I love sex but I will feel uncomfortable and awkward getting a text like this from a guy I hardly know. Sending another text without a response from her= instant attraction killer. And message was needy and annoying. "Tell me about yourself" what is this an interview?? She actually gave you all the feedback you need by responding to good texts and ignoring the rest.