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Author:  Noitartst [ Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Transistioning With Hired Guns
This has happened to me multiple times, by now. I'm talking to a gun, she's interested, wants to talk some more, but she's immediately busy.

Just last night, as I was leaving the gym, I opened a girl who had interest me earlier, as she was restocking stuff. I gave an anecdote work, to which she responded well, as she kept restocking then customers came, interrupting us, and she asked if I had to go, which I said I did, and politely ejected, though I'm pretty sure she wished to talk further.

It's happened to me before, where she wants to to talk, but where there are immediate interruptions, and I was wondering how to deal with them. In this case, I just should've asked if she could talk later, methinks. (Keep in mind, I'm still in the attraction stage, so to ask for her number is out.) Thing is, I did have (a little time) think I gave up a mite too soon, but don't know yet how to deal with the distractions in such a scenario.

I think it was the other night, and I'm talking to another hired gun by the counter who's interested in me, and she's genuinely interested, tells me she's going to deal with some other customers, but is coming back, and she does, but in the mean time, I'm waiting by myself, in danger of being more invested than she is, wondering if I'm lowering social value by waiting for her like I am.

Just how should I handle such scenarios? I've got interest, but then, as she has to go, I'm reacting. She's taking the lead, not me, even if she's clearly valuing the interaction. Reframe, somehow?
Author:  LIFE PUA [ Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Transistioning With Hired Guns
Quote:
This has happened to me multiple times, by now. I'm talking to a gun, she's interested, wants to talk some more, but she's immediately busy.

Just last night, as I was leaving the gym, I opened a girl who had interest me earlier, as she was restocking stuff. I gave an anecdote work, to which she responded well, as she kept restocking then customers came, interrupting us, and she asked if I had to go, which I said I did, and politely ejected, though I'm pretty sure she wished to talk further.

It's happened to me before, where she wants to to talk, but where there are immediate interruptions, and I was wondering how to deal with them. In this case, I just should've asked if she could talk later, methinks. (Keep in mind, I'm still in the attraction stage, so to ask for her number is out.) Thing is, I did have (a little time) think I gave up a mite too soon, but don't know yet how to deal with the distractions in such a scenario.

I think it was the other night, and I'm talking to another hired gun by the counter who's interested in me, and she's genuinely interested, tells me she's going to deal with some other customers, but is coming back, and she does, but in the mean time, I'm waiting by myself, in danger of being more invested than she is, wondering if I'm lowering social value by waiting for her like I am.

Just how should I handle such scenarios? I've got interest, but then, as she has to go, I'm reacting. She's taking the lead, not me, even if she's clearly valuing the interaction. Reframe, somehow?
Pick a better time to open is where to start. Non - Prime hours when opening is key.

Second, is you never really know who will call you back. If you see another customer coming, number close. You can always re-open after 'shopping' and the open is now warm and it is easier to pick up where you left off. The number is some investment.

Always FTC and eject before she must.

I also would advocate opening someone else, even a guy or another guy, when she is indicating she must leave. Or a fake phone call. It all works the same, when she comes back to you, she is trying to open and you build attraction by being busy, then a re-open is easy.

Your goal should be to do what you can to ensure a re-open will be warm, not cold.
Author:  Noitartst [ Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Transistioning With Hired Guns
FTC? Beg pardon? I also think I know what you mean by shopping, but am not quite sure. So, I just approach when there''s an opportunity; fair enough.
Author:  LIFE PUA [ Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Transistioning With Hired Guns
FTC is a False Time Constraint. If she is a hired gun helping someone, at a grocery store for example, when you open you FTC with you are picking up some groceries for diner. Then, when she gets interrupted, you grab an item and then you can re - open later without losing too much. This applies to any environment, clothing stores, bars, etc. You simply order a drink or start looking at clothing, so it appears like you are a customer. She is then obligated to assist you.

FTC is one of the big things which you do early on to make all sets go better, and give you a reason to eject later without losing Value once you see things will not end with a full close.
Author:  Noitartst [ Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Transistioning With Hired Guns
Oh-- that explains things, and well.
Author:  Digital_Spy [ Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Transistioning With Hired Guns
That's right dude. Don't fucking wait for her to come back and talk with you because fuck, that is like so fucking beneath you. How dare she deal with other customers and do her job and fantastic, lil, old you is left standing all by your little self. Just fucking walk away and never get to know her. Christ you dudes on here think being nice is a fucking mortal sin because your all so fucking up yourselves pretending to be alpha fucking morons.
Author:  wilyone [ Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Transistioning With Hired Guns
Hi, I'm a girl who stumbled on this site when trying to figure out a guy.

Can't resist chiming in here. I worked at a coffee shop for a few years so have a lot of experience with this.

If a guy lingered around and waited for me to free up to talk to him, I pretty quickly lost any interest. It often made me feel uncomfortable because I could not remove myself from the situation. I was stuck. I would be friendly and courteous (just doing my job) and he would mistake it as interest or something. It could be awkward and creepy b/c I felt like I was on stage and he was watching my every move.

Anyhow, the guys who got my attention were the ones who were friendly but just chatting me up as part of the normal exchange of serving someone coffee, and then they went on their way. Then I would wonder about them and look forward to seeing them again....
Author:  Noitartst [ Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Transistioning With Hired Guns
That sounds about right. At the gym, I try not to linger, before talking.

Surely there wer some times when you wanted to talk, but were too busy. If you liked him, if he hung around, it would be awkward, wouldn't it? What would happen in those cases where you enjoyed the conversation, but was interrupted?
Author:  wilyone [ Sun Jul 27, 2014 3:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Transistioning With Hired Guns
Yes, if he hung around while I was busy it would be awkward and my interest level would plummet. He would seem too invested and needy. I think you are better off leaving and coming back some other time (you know where she works so how easy is that) rather than lingering awkwardly, or pretending to read her employer's brochures or whatever.
Author:  Xoved [ Wed Jul 30, 2014 8:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Transistioning With Hired Guns
I don't see a problem here.

There's no rule or stage for taking her number. Once you've talked to her for at least 5 minutes, you can just ask for it normally.

If you're having these inside doubts about it, then pass by before she's done with work and just take her out for a coffee/drink/whatever is suitable in your area.
Author:  Noitartst [ Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Transistioning With Hired Guns
Hm. Just invite her, after having talked for a while? That sounds doable.

At a family reunion, last weekend, I had an interesting encounter. I came across a young mother, who was a distant relation, and chatted her up. (Remarkably, she seemed to enjoy my talking about Rime of the Ancient Mariner.) After a while, she started tittering, but as she did, her body language got a mite more guarded, but given her father was looking her way, I could more than understand. I could have either tried to move the target, else number closed, but instead I ejected.

Later, I reopened, giving her a segment of a musical I'm working on with my email on it. She asked if it was okay because then I wouldn't have one for myself, but I reassured her I had copies to give out to people, which I shouldn't have done, as I had deflated the specialness of my sharing. I didn't ask for her email, either, even as I shared mine.

How should I have handled this? The reunion had ended, she had had shown interest in me, and my musical, but I didn't know how to ask for the number. I talk a lot about my musical, and like to share portions of it, replete with copies I carry around, but I don't yet know how to use it for a # close. You know, I should have said, "Well, if you give me your contact info, I'll send you a link to Rime of the Ancient Mariner, and you can see it for yourself." That's a good way to ask for an email, at least, but I understand #'s are better.
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