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Author:  Magic90210 [ Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Continuous Closing Failures
The past month I have met some incredible women, one-after-the-other. I have developed a little game so far and can do a few routines, some openings and a getting better at developing social proof and notices IOIs. My problem is that when I take all the way from Seclecting a target and approaching I fail in the Close-stage. Twice this week I looked around and got nervous because it felt like everyone was looking at me when I was about to ask her for her number. I have never really had much of a problem with crowds and as a musician have performed in front of thousands of people without getting nervous at all and have done great as a public speaker, it just seems that in a social situation I get kinda nervous and my head gets to me.

The same thing happened at the bar this weekend but it wasn't because I was nervous. I throw in a "time constraint" I already did a short routine and mind reading on the two and the one I wanted to close I hugged and got atleast 3 IOIs throughout the night. She also gave me the "Doggy Bowl Look" twice. In the end I appraoched her and looked around, she was looking at an Alpha that then walked away. In my mind I thought these two things verbatim "I'm not good enough for her" and "What are you going to do? Bust a routine?" I felt like everyone was watching me and expecting me to do a routine despite that noone probably had the slightest clue of what I was up to. In the end I hugged her and said "I'll see you again sometime." Which in the end I probably lied to myself and will never see her again.

My problems: 1) I feel like people know I am going to do a routine and get nervous about it sometimes.
2) When its time to close I wuss out! I need to know how to close solid everytime!
Author:  EnsoNytes [ Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Continuous Closing Failures
The easiest way to number close is finding a mutual interest that you share with the girl and getting the number as a means to scheduling a date to do said interest. This basically makes up the entire approach when I meet girls during the day. I have gotten by with doing very few routines. I only use a few routines if I stall out during conversation. Try not to get into a performance mindset. Routines are like training wheels for game imo.

When you are in set and about to close, remind yourself that if you walk without getting a number than you have absolutely nothing. You mustered up the courage to open, entertained them, and didn't get what you wanted. Always go for broke and at least try to get the number. The worst that happens is she says no or she's taken and you will probably never see her again. At the end of the day, people care way less than you think.
Author:  Xian3Blue [ Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Continuous Closing Failures
You feel like this cause you've never done it before. It's just like that first time you approach and you don't wanna do it cause u don't know what's going to happen. It's the unknown you have to get used to.

Only way to proceed is just to make it happen. I would suggest you to focus more on the leading/closing part.
Don't think too much about openers, comfort and routines. The less you stress about it the more likely you'll be successfull.

So focus on the close, and get more experience in that department. The rest will put itself in place. Attraction is not a step-by-step process like some puas teach you. Sometimes a girls just likes you and you like her and you can cut it short and skip all the crap and go straight for closing.
Author:  anthonypham [ Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Continuous Closing Failures
Indeed, as mentioned earlier, you think too much.

Nobody is watching you :) because everyone is gaming. The ones not gaming, are AFC's. And no need to worry about them.

It depends on what you mean with closing. Let's start with the following closing:
1. Number Closing;
2. Kiss closing;

Till now, I kiss-closed more than number-closed. Because phonenumbers are worth nothing to me :)

Number Closing
Sometimes people hesitate while numberclosing. Because then actually you are qualifying yourself to the girl. The girl determines whether or not to give you the prize (=here phonenumber). And you may show too much/early interest. There is also some anxiety, when the girl refuses to give her number.

In your game, you use time constraints. This is good. Use the time constraints for closing. Several scenarios are possible: "Hi, i got to go. It was so much fun talking with you. When will i see you again?", "Hi, i am leaving. I still haven't finish my story. What now?", "SOrry, must leave. Too bad. I would like to hear your story.......how can we continue...." In most of the cases, the girl will give you her number. When she says "we will meet somewhere, somehow", "I will probably see you soon" , these vague answers mean you didn't create enough attraction.

As you may notice, you are NOT asking for a number. PUA don't beg. You are giving her the opportunity to continue this nice conversation and let her offer her number to you. This will help you in the next phase.

Kiss Closing
When you opened a girl, and you notice she enjoys your routines/story/DHV, and she gives some IOIs, you will see when you can kiss her. For example, when she comes close to you, when you can hold her hands, touch her hair, a moment of silent when you look each other in the eyes..

There is one catch: when the moment is there, and you do not kiss her, you will miss the 'window of opportunity'. If you miss this windows a few times, then the girl knows you are not confident enough to kiss her. And you are gone.

Hope this helps mate. You will be surprized, how easy it is to kiss a girl. Or how many girls want to kiss :)
Author:  schoolofromance [ Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Continuous Closing Failures
Make it nonchalant. When I first started trying to get numbers from girls, it felt a little weird as well.

However after doing it consistently for a while, it became more and more natural. One thing I can encourage is to give less crap about what people think and go for it. Escalate first, calibrate later.

Just do it.
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