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| Author: | Preston87 [ Sat Aug 10, 2013 3:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Troubleshooting: repeatedly boxed out after good open. |
Hey all, so I've been doing mostly daygame, and I decided to mix it up a little and actually hit up the club last night - something I don't usually do. Most of my weekend nights are spent hanging with current school buddies and catching up with old friends. I tried numerous approaches (I think 5-6ish) and was not able to close a single number. Here is my impression: I approach with a lot of confidence (no hesitation), and have a decent opener, ("Oh wow, I was about to wear the outfit") and I figure that as most girls smile in a mischievous manner and say something like "Oh really?!" After that though, I'm having some difficulty, as the girls either leave completely or I get boxed out. Here are some example scenarios from last night: 2 set - first approach of the night: I open on two girls, they have trouble hearing me, and I realize that I have to talk a lot louder because this set goes downhill as I have to repeat my opener three times. I get a few giggles, but when I try to continue to conversation, one of them nods a few times pretending to have heard me, then gets a "this is awkward look" on her face, then they have to "go to the bathroom." What I learned: Talk louder goddamit. 2 set: I open on two chicks, being sure to talk loud - use the opener, they laugh, we introduce ourselves, then we start talking for about a minute about clothing. I get a little kino in touching my clothes and hers, but after a while the conversation fizzles out, and the chicks start talking to each other, making me look like the third wheel out. At this point it becomes a little awkward as they've put a little distance between me and them, and rather than look desperate, I eject. What I learned: I really don't know - maybe work on conversational skills after the opener or the initial topic of convo. 3 set - one of the girls is the hottest girl in the club: I open, get a laugh and a smile, then we exchange names, immediately afterwards, I introduce myself to her 2 friends, but as soon as I turn back to her I get boxed out by the hot girl- meaning she turns her back to me entirely and talks to her friends. What I learned: Focus on the target and try not to divide too much attention between her and her friends. How do I improve my skills and carry the momentum of a decent opener? I've tried talking briefly about clothing, which is something many women relate to, in order to build rapport. It seems like the convo fizzles out after the open. I do think my body language is quite confident and my body positioning is so that it's difficult for the target to turn her back to me and to her friends because I literally put myself among the group of friends. |
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| Author: | Mattr1984 [ Mon Aug 12, 2013 4:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Troubleshooting: repeatedly boxed out after good open. |
Ok, I'm not a day game expert by any means but I know night game. What you need to know with night game is that girls are expecting to get hit on. What this means is that you can be much more direct and way more flirty right off the bat. Escalate right away, open with kino if you can. If they are outgoing/confident girls you can tell them they are sexy straght away if you want to. If they are shy/neurotic types you can say they are cute or look nice or whatever. Mix it up, be playful, it's play time! Don't try and have a conversation if its too loud to do so. Be direct, lead, do your "game" non verbally. Use the volume to get really close really fast. I mean you're just "making sure he can here you". Most guys are weak and lean right in because they are scared to invade her space right away. Don't be that guy, be confident, be entitled. For a little more conversation game, pick a venue where that's the main vibe, but don't forget the main thing as mentioned: women EXPECT to get hit on in bars. Just be confident, be unashamed, and practice. Don't wait for a green light, assume attraction, escaltate and "ask the question" until they give you a red light, then stop, step back and reasses. Above all, have fun! It's a night out, enjoy yourself! |
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| Author: | Preston87 [ Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Troubleshooting: repeatedly boxed out after good open. |
Thanks for the feedback, man. Anyone else want to weigh in? |
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