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| Author: | butterfield [ Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | I cant neg to save my life |
Everytime i neg the girl always gets insulted. Can anyone help? |
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| Author: | Shreder [ Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:40 pm ] |
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Best Advice: Throw-and-go. Have you're routines well versed so you are able to keep going with your story. Just drop the neg and stack forward. Don't give em time to react. Another thing is...How rough are your negs? Some are harder than others like "You're Ugly." (NEVER a good neg, just an example) While a softer neg like saying "Is she always like this?" to her friends or "How do you guys roll with her?" in an aloof comical manner then stack forward. Some of the negative feedback might be a shit test so just don't put up with it and keep going forward. Remember, Negs are used to give the impression that you don't care if you are accepted by their group or not and that YOU are the highest valued man around. Good rule for dropping negs: Pepper, never pour! |
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| Author: | Ezo [ Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:26 pm ] |
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Ok, first rule... Smile when you neg, or just afterwards. Looking serious can be part of you neg. Rule 2, your neg is nothing to spend energy on, you just make a comment on something, no biggie, for you the moment might not even have existed, you have already moved on! Rule 3, never ever directly insult her! Instead of saying, for example "ewww you spat on me", just wipe your face. Or give her a comment on her behaviour, thats better than going for her looks. Hope it helps! Ezo |
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| Author: | Roads [ Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:10 pm ] |
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I've actually adopted a new philosophy. Don't neg a HB. Ever*. Exceptions apply, see list*. The reason is, you should be having a good time and be in a high energy state when you open a set. You don't need to neg your target, just ignore her initially and let her see you as a high value alpha male having a good time. She'll naturally become attracted to you. When you neg her, you risk damaging the set for a variety of reasons. For example, the HB(s) could already be attracted to you, and your negs put them off. Or, you mess up and come off like an asshole. You're ripping up a winning lottery ticket by doing that. So don't neg. Go in, have fun, vibe with the set, and establish yourself...the HBs will naturally follow. *Negs are only an option if: 1) The HB's are throwing shit tests at you or are not showing enough IOI's after certain amount of time in the set. IOD begets IOD 2) You screwed up and showed too much interest initially. Recovery attempt 3) You're running C&F from the get go. Congruency |
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| Author: | Ohboyotellama [ Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:21 pm ] |
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Well personally I always neg HB's its good at lowering their ego to your level so you don't have such a hard time through the attraction phase and the closing turns into butter when you tell a girl you will THINK about calling her (makes them anxious) but I agree with a couple of posts up except I will try to be a little more animated with my description. ME: (Dead serious face on) Seriously ladies how do you girls hang out with each other you both talk SO much Ladies: blah blah (or dont respond) but the key is ME: IMMEDIATELY start smiling and move on to the next area of convorsation, next neg or next C&F statement I don't reccoment STACKING negs always use in moderation you can't pick up a girl if you walk up and stack neg after neg after neg it will make her think you are just an asshole try pacing yourself like in a night at the roxbury 1,2,3,sup,1,2,3,sup,1,2,3,sup 1,2,3,neg,1,2,3,neg,1,2,3,number close,1,2,3,kiss the woman good night 1=story stack 2=kino 3=DHV |
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| Author: | butterfield [ Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:52 am ] |
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What does the sup and 1,2,3 mean? Cheers for the advice everyone. |
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| Author: | They Call Me Lucid [ Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:18 am ] |
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dont worry. most people mess up negs in my opinion. remember, neg is not an insult!!!! thats the only thing you have to remember. its slightly insulting but also funny said with a smile on your face. as a bartender i know says, she can get aways with saying anything by having a smile on her face. she tells people at bars "you are a fucking asshole. go sit in the corner and i'll let you know when you can have a beer" and guess what? the guys go to the corner and dont get insulted. most guys think negs are walking up to girls and saying stuff like "i dont like your shoes" or "is your hair real" and then just wait for a response. of course no one is going to take that well you need to start building a level of being laid back with the girl. she will then feel that you are a joking guy. later on if she is teasing you or is showing you IOD, you need to respond with a neg. if she says you talk too much (IOD) just tell her in a kidding voice and smile "dont interrupt me. jeez who do you think you are?!" and make sure to keep talking. remember, if you wait for them to respond, they can and will take it badly. if you dont give them a chance to decide how to feel, and you continue to be friendly and playful, they will have no choice but to respond well to it. if a girl is being flirty with you or is joking with you and says something like "i bet you are a stalker or a creepster". respond back by saying "yes i am. i am into ugly chicks. whats your name and where do you live?" just keep smiling and go off of that and keep talking. its a direct insult by calling her ugly. the reason why it works is this: a) you insult yourself first in a playful way b) you insult her second in something that she knows isnt true c) you kept smiling and being playful afterward so she has no where to go but to laugh and go with it. its kind of a tricky concept but it is really useful. dont over do it but make sure you work on it and use it at the right times. remember not to neg girls on things they might be sensitive about. if they are a little big, never call them fat. if they wear a lot of makeup or ask for a lot of affirmation about looks, never neg their looks in a bad way (you can say stuff like "why do you wear so much makeup? i want to see the beautiful girl underneath"). if a girl ever responds negatively, dont react to it but keep on going. she has the option then to leave all the fun that is involved with being in your social sphere, or to stay and accept the fact that her emotions dont matter to you or your group. she has to become a more playful person to stick around you. either way, it ends up better for the both of you. this post came out kind of longer than expected but i hope it helps you. |
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| Author: | Ohboyotellama [ Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:31 pm ] |
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The sup 1,2,3 was from the movie a night at the roxbury when he goes into the club and kinda gets overloaded by all the beautiful women around (sup is a quick way of saying what's up) and he (will ferrels charecter) starts looking around going sup! sup! sup! sup! sup! sup! and his friend is like whoa buddy PACE YOURSELF! so he starts going 1,2,3,sup! 1,2,3,sup! 1,2,3,sup! I was just using it as an example I guess its no good if you havnt seen the movie 
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| Author: | nanoelite007 [ Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:31 pm ] |
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well depends on how you came off to her.. if you had a vibe of playfulness she wouldnt trip... if you said direct and it wasnt a sniper then you got problems.. first internalize the idea that you dont care what she thinks.. then move to busting on her.. adn thats the best way to neg.. and its fun.. |
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| Author: | sandman808 [ Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:04 am ] |
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go to a club website with tons of pics of girls who are out. Practice some negs going down the list. Gotta be fast. |
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| Author: | sandman808 [ Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:05 am ] |
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Quote: I've actually adopted a new philosophy.
hmmm interesting thoughts
*Negs are only an option if: 1) The HB's are throwing shit tests at you or are not showing enough IOI's after certain amount of time in the set. IOD begets IOD 2) You screwed up and showed too much interest initially. Recovery attempt 3) You're running C&F from the get go. Congruency |
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