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| Author: | Inelastic [ Thu May 30, 2013 4:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | My sticking point: Generating attraction |
The sticking point I have always had is generating attraction. I can generally find a way to open sets and start talking to girls, but I always end up almost interrogating them - the typical questions of What's your name? What do you study / work as? Where are you from?, etc. I just don't know how to make better conversations with girls I just met. This happened just last night in a salsa class - a girl seemed impressed by a couple of steps I knew despite having said I was a beginner, but when we started talking, it was general AFC stuff, question and answer. My question is, what can I do to start generating attraction in the one-on-one conversations? Should I try more open-ended questions? Routines? Cocky funny stuff? DHV stories? How do I escalate from there? I would appreciate any advice. Thanks guys |
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| Author: | Gapi [ Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: My sticking point: Generating attraction |
don't ever ask a series of questions. She just told you something personal and let me guess, you said:''Oh, cool, so what's....(some random next question)'' How would you feel if you went out with your friends and said:''hey I just nailed this HB10!'' and they would say:''Oh, cool, so have you seen this new movie?'' Ask a question and then connect. Better yet instead of asking questions just guess. It's more fun and casual and you almost always get a laugh. I always make a funny guess or something. After that you can easily neg, challenge her, kino escalate,... |
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| Author: | Monsignor Crisanto [ Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: My sticking point: Generating attraction |
Conversational styles generate comfort rather than sexual attraction. Meanwhile, the most effective push-pull techniques are nonverbal routines. Since your question pertains to conversational style, let me introduce you to wide rapport techniques. If you're sarging girls in the 18-21 age range, then this works best on them. Wide Rapport Techniques Basics
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| Author: | Inelastic [ Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: My sticking point: Generating attraction |
Thanks for the advice guys =] Quote: don't ever ask a series of questions. She just told you something personal and let me guess, you said:''Oh, cool, so what's....(some random next question)'' How would you feel if you went out with your friends and said:''hey I just nailed this HB10!'' and they would say:''Oh, cool, so have you seen this new movie?''
Great tips - I'll try to reduce the number of questions and instead guess the answers with something funny or make assumptions about her. Make my conversations more witty and spontaneous, like the ones I'd have with friends, whilst obviously trying to include things that show I'm attracted to her here and there so she doesn't friend-zone me straightaway.Ask a question and then connect. Better yet instead of asking questions just guess. It's more fun and casual and you almost always get a laugh. I always make a funny guess or something. After that you can easily neg, challenge her, kino escalate,... Quote: Conversational styles generate comfort rather than sexual attraction. Meanwhile, the most effective push-pull techniques are nonverbal routines. Since your question pertains to conversational style, let me introduce you to wide rapport techniques. If you're sarging girls in the 18-21 age range, then this works best on them.
I like that first technique! I guess the challenge is to actually leave, creating that push-pull effect at the highest emotional level. I usually just carry on the conversation until I run out of things to say and the interaction becomes boring. But I suppose you should leave only in certain situations where you know you'll see the girl again around soon. Otherwise, maybe just try and number-close there when you get enough IOIs? Or also kiss-close in night game?Wide Rapport Techniques Basics
I'll also try the ''Eye Fuck'' lol, I tend to just look away as soon as I get eye contact. I suppose the challenge here is to have the right expression on your face so you don't seem like a stalker or just look nervous. From what I've gathered from reading, watching videos, etc., the strategies for day and night game can be very different. Also within day and night game, depending on the context, you have to adapt your style of interaction, techniques, speed of escalation, and where the escalation should stop to get the best possible result. So this is also a challenge that I guess you learn to overcome from experience. But many of the concepts seem to be applicable to all situations, like kino, push-pull, laughter, IOIs, and especially showing confidence. |
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| Author: | TheDragon v2.0 [ Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: My sticking point: Generating attraction |
How would you rate your body language and your voice quality ? Those two aspects have a huge influence on attraction |
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| Author: | worldrunner [ Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: My sticking point: Generating attraction |
Those questions are good, you can get to know here, gain some rapport, they are no threatened and not creepy... Yes I would kind of laugh if a girl starts talking to me about where does the guy in front of me buys his t-shirts, what type of deodorant he uses or any other stupid stuff like that. I mean if I already find that girl attractive and she starts talking to me about that, even if it makes me laugh it would kind of creep me out... Instead if she just asks me what do I do, where am I from, what are my hobbies, I would feel more open to move things forward with her... Anyway the problem are not the questions... the problem most of the times is the reason why you are asking them... The wrong reasons to ask them is: To keep the conversation flowing in order to break he tension generated by the silence... Learn to be comfortable with that tension, while giving her eye contact and smiling... Yes you can add something flirty and funny from time to time, just look at the conversation as a dance... You do 3 or 4 mirrors and then you do a figure, dance together, do some mirrors and then again a figure. These "boring", "AFC", "Ordinary" questions are like the mirrors and the dancing together part... Once every few questions is good to spice things a little bit with something flirty. |
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| Author: | Inelastic [ Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: My sticking point: Generating attraction |
Quote: How would you rate your body language and your voice quality ?
Voice quality is actually something I'm trying to work on. I've watched videos saying you have to make questions sound like statements by lowering the tone at the very end. I don't think I do it naturally yet, but I just have to keep working on it. I have a baritone vocal range, so it could be good to learn how to make it sound more seductive.Those two aspects have a huge influence on attraction In terms of body language, I have tried following some advice. For example, not to approach from behind; don't always approach straight-on, but rather at an angle; not to fidget. However, where I think I still fail is not keeping eye contact. That's the main thing I need to work on, even if it feels uncomfortable. Quote: Those questions are good, you can get to know here, gain some rapport, they are no threatened and not creepy...
That is true. Those basic questions to get to know her are good for gaining rapport. You just need to try and not get stuck with just them. And I think it's a good idea to make assumptions about her as well, just so she can correct you and make the conversation less like an interrogation.Quote: Anyway the problem are not the questions... the problem most of the times is the reason why you are asking them...
Do you think it's important to have a specific reason all the time? I think it depends on the context. In daygame, I agree that things have to make more sense. But in night game, when girls tend to look for more excitement and get pretty drunk (at least where I live), it might work to ask random questions, like ''What's your favourite colour?'', ''Blue'', ''Oh, mine too. We have too much in common.'' I don't know if that sounds lame lolQuote: Learn to be comfortable with that tension, while giving her eye contact and smiling...
The aim is to try and master that dance. Not an easy thing to do! Pickup seems to be a lot like learning salsa actually.
Yes you can add something flirty and funny from time to time, just look at the conversation as a dance... |
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