PUA Forum :: HUGE Phone game sticking point !!!!! .... urgent

Hi all

so after i was ok opening and having good interaction with sets i open, most of my targets started to flake well , i usually try field tested materials on my phone game but this dosn't seem to work ...

so like for the last two weeks i have lost 6 chicks and the last one is starting to flake .... not yet but i feel it's coming !!

so basically anyone who could help me with some material and some ebooks about that ... is really welcome , because i feel like i am getting AFC after all those flakes , and i think i haven't done any big mistake ...that's the mystery

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This really doesn't make sense... Are you going into sets, getting phone numbers, and relying on text messaging to finish for you? That is why you are getting flakes.

You can get ANY girls phone number without even exchanging more words than "Hey, put your number in my phone" and holding your phone out... but that doesn't mean you did anything special. She simply does not want the confrontation of having to say no. So she will give it to you and then just ignore you once you walk away. Sounds like you just need to work on your fundamentals.....

usually try field tested materials on my phone game but this dosn't seem to work ...

then she opened me the next day with a text message ... so after that when i called her she didn't answer ...

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Hi

Thanks for the answer , usually i open with an opener , then start a conversation make them laugh and i notice some IOI's since for example the last girl didn't leave me while i was talking with her even when her friends left , so i think i did good , and when i went to the Nc she told me her phone is discharged , i did write mine on her note-book , then she opened me the next day with a text message ... so after that when i called her she didn't answer ...

second message is to plan is to ask for a date

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second message is to plan is to ask for a date

Still, if you call her instead of texting to set up a date, wouldn't you have way more options for calibrating her response (and handling her objections, if any)?

I had similar problems with conversations going nowhere after some exchange of text messages, no matter how hard I thought about them to make them really fun and creative.

Now I just send one message to see if I get a reply trying to refresh the memory on who I was, and second message is to plan is to ask for a date (I know this word is AFC for a lot of PUAs, but yet many of these PUAs have 1000s of phone numbers and no dates)

Something like:
"Drinks? Saturday?"
"Popcorns, Nachos, Candies, and the Avengers tomorrow night?"

Most of the times they say they have something else to do the day I ask for, so just try to agree for a day and time where you both can make it. No need to be a super dominant Alpha guy here.

This completely AFC, beta guy stuff has worked for me much better than any other PUA strategy.

First sms is something like this:

Hey (Name or Nickname) how did you arrive home after (whatever she was doing when I met her)?
Cheers,
____

Wait a few days.... I'm gonna give you a "canned message" that I got off this forum a while back that I have used countless number of times and it ALWAYS works to get the conversation going again... I re worded it a little bit but it goes something like this....

"Hey, I wanna ask you something that has kept me sleepless for days and I really want you to be totally honest with me. It might be kinda awkward between us after I ask you this but I have to know how you feel. I have kept this in my mind for a while now but it's finally time. I'll be straight up and just confront you.... I hope this doesn't ruin the relationship we already have. I just need to know and I don't see any other way I could get over it. Things wouldn't be fair on me if I don't get an answer. I want you to tell me truthfully, no matter how harsh your answer. I just want your honest opinion... Do you like coke or lemonade?"

Send it all in one text. Just like that. THIS! IS! A! FUCKING! WEAPON!

I play with emotions alot when I am running game. When you create intense emotions, you can flip them around, be it negative to positive or positive to negative. What this particular text does is makes her feel ALL DIFFERENT types of NEGATIVE emotions as she is reading it... She's thinking "WHAT THE FUCK IS HE GONNA ASK ME?!" and then BAM! You flip it around on her at the end. Turn it into something that is complete nonsense. It's what I call "putting her on the roller coaster".... and that my friend.. Is something, that once you learn how to control... will be EXTREMELY powerful in your game.

Author:	Neox00 [ Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:28 pm ]
Post subject:	HUGE Phone game sticking point !!!!! .... urgent
Hi all so after i was ok opening and having good interaction with sets i open, most of my targets started to flake well , i usually try field tested materials on my phone game but this dosn't seem to work ... so like for the last two weeks i have lost 6 chicks and the last one is starting to flake .... not yet but i feel it's coming !! so basically anyone who could help me with some material and some ebooks about that ... is really welcome , because i feel like i am getting AFC after all those flakes , and i think i haven't done any big mistake ...that's the mystery

Author:	Jay (Majik) [ Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:46 am ]
Post subject:	Re: HUGE Phone game sticking point !!!!! .... urgent
Quote: Hi all so after i was ok opening and having good interaction with sets i open, most of my targets started to flake well , i usually try field tested materials on my phone game but this dosn't seem to work ... so like for the last two weeks i have lost 6 chicks and the last one is starting to flake .... not yet but i feel it's coming !! so basically anyone who could help me with some material and some ebooks about that ... is really welcome , because i feel like i am getting AFC after all those flakes , and i think i haven't done any big mistake ...that's the mystery This really doesn't make sense... Are you going into sets, getting phone numbers, and relying on text messaging to finish for you? That is why you are getting flakes. You can get ANY girls phone number without even exchanging more words than "Hey, put your number in my phone" and holding your phone out... but that doesn't mean you did anything special. She simply does not want the confrontation of having to say no. So she will give it to you and then just ignore you once you walk away. Sounds like you just need to work on your fundamentals.....

Author:	Neox00 [ Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:36 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: HUGE Phone game sticking point !!!!! .... urgent
Quote: Quote: Hi all so after i was ok opening and having good interaction with sets i open, most of my targets started to flake well , i usually try field tested materials on my phone game but this dosn't seem to work ... so like for the last two weeks i have lost 6 chicks and the last one is starting to flake .... not yet but i feel it's coming !! so basically anyone who could help me with some material and some ebooks about that ... is really welcome , because i feel like i am getting AFC after all those flakes , and i think i haven't done any big mistake ...that's the mystery This really doesn't make sense... Are you going into sets, getting phone numbers, and relying on text messaging to finish for you? That is why you are getting flakes. You can get ANY girls phone number without even exchanging more words than "Hey, put your number in my phone" and holding your phone out... but that doesn't mean you did anything special. She simply does not want the confrontation of having to say no. So she will give it to you and then just ignore you once you walk away. Sounds like you just need to work on your fundamentals..... Hi Thanks for the answer , usually i open with an opener , then start a conversation make them laugh and i notice some IOI's since for example the last girl didn't leave me while i was talking with her even when her friends left , so i think i did good , and when i went to the Nc she told me her phone is discharged , i did write mine on her note-book , then she opened me the next day with a text message ... so after that when i called her she didn't answer ...

Author:	iseduce [ Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:44 pm ]
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Quote: usually try field tested materials on my phone game but this dosn't seem to work ... Field-tested does not mean "works on every girl in every situation". So far it looks like your real SP is that you're relying too much on so-called "canned" material, and, possibly even worse, when you're on the phone with a girl, you might come across as someone reciting a memorized script (and this obviously demonstrates low social value)

Author:	iseduce [ Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:50 pm ]
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Quote: then she opened me the next day with a text message ... so after that when i called her she didn't answer ... She might just be playing hard to get. Or she just genuinely couldn't answer your call. You never know. One unanswered call doesn't mean a thing - don't sweat over it at all. See if she returns you call - that would be a good IOI. Even if she doesn't - call her again in a couple of days, just don't mention the unanswered call at all. If she brings it up herlself - play it out by saying something like "Hey, I had some really cool stuff to do so" / "Was spending some quality time with my friends" etc.

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Author:	Jay (Majik) [ Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:01 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: HUGE Phone game sticking point !!!!! .... urgent
Quote: Quote: Quote: Hi all so after i was ok opening and having good interaction with sets i open, most of my targets started to flake well , i usually try field tested materials on my phone game but this dosn't seem to work ... so like for the last two weeks i have lost 6 chicks and the last one is starting to flake .... not yet but i feel it's coming !! so basically anyone who could help me with some material and some ebooks about that ... is really welcome , because i feel like i am getting AFC after all those flakes , and i think i haven't done any big mistake ...that's the mystery This really doesn't make sense... Are you going into sets, getting phone numbers, and relying on text messaging to finish for you? That is why you are getting flakes. You can get ANY girls phone number without even exchanging more words than "Hey, put your number in my phone" and holding your phone out... but that doesn't mean you did anything special. She simply does not want the confrontation of having to say no. So she will give it to you and then just ignore you once you walk away. Sounds like you just need to work on your fundamentals..... Hi Thanks for the answer , usually i open with an opener , then start a conversation make them laugh and i notice some IOI's since for example the last girl didn't leave me while i was talking with her even when her friends left , so i think i did good , and when i went to the Nc she told me her phone is discharged , i did write mine on her note-book , then she opened me the next day with a text message ... so after that when i called her she didn't answer ... Wait a few days.... I'm gonna give you a "canned message" that I got off this forum a while back that I have used countless number of times and it ALWAYS works to get the conversation going again... I re worded it a little bit but it goes something like this.... "Hey, I wanna ask you something that has kept me sleepless for days and I really want you to be totally honest with me. It might be kinda awkward between us after I ask you this but I have to know how you feel. I have kept this in my mind for a while now but it's finally time. I'll be straight up and just confront you.... I hope this doesn't ruin the relationship we already have. I just need to know and I don't see any other way I could get over it. Things wouldn't be fair on me if I don't get an answer. I want you to tell me truthfully, no matter how harsh your answer. I just want your honest opinion... Do you like coke or lemonade?" Send it all in one text. Just like that. THIS! IS! A! FUCKING! WEAPON! I play with emotions alot when I am running game. When you create intense emotions, you can flip them around, be it negative to positive or positive to negative. What this particular text does is makes her feel ALL DIFFERENT types of NEGATIVE emotions as she is reading it... She's thinking "WHAT THE FUCK IS HE GONNA ASK ME?!" and then BAM! You flip it around on her at the end. Turn it into something that is complete nonsense. It's what I call "putting her on the roller coaster".... and that my friend.. Is something, that once you learn how to control... will be EXTREMELY powerful in your game.

Author:	worldrunner [ Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:08 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: HUGE Phone game sticking point !!!!! .... urgent
I had similar problems with conversations going nowhere after some exchange of text messages, no matter how hard I thought about them to make them really fun and creative. Now I just send one message to see if I get a reply trying to refresh the memory on who I was, and second message is to plan is to ask for a date (I know this word is AFC for a lot of PUAs, but yet many of these PUAs have 1000s of phone numbers and no dates) Something like: "Drinks? Saturday?" "Popcorns, Nachos, Candies, and the Avengers tomorrow night?" Most of the times they say they have something else to do the day I ask for, so just try to agree for a day and time where you both can make it. No need to be a super dominant Alpha guy here. This completely AFC, beta guy stuff has worked for me much better than any other PUA strategy.

Author:	iseduce [ Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:33 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: HUGE Phone game sticking point !!!!! .... urgent
Quote: second message is to plan is to ask for a date Still, if you call her instead of texting to set up a date, wouldn't you have way more options for calibrating her response (and handling her objections, if any)?

Author:	Neox00 [ Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:26 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: HUGE Phone game sticking point !!!!! .... urgent
Quote: Quote: second message is to plan is to ask for a date Still, if you call her instead of texting to set up a date, wouldn't you have way more options for calibrating her response (and handling her objections, if any)? Hi all thanks for your valuable answers buddies , i will try to handle things over again ... i would stick with the calling again option , since texting seems to take me no where ... , and if she dosn't answer again , i will send a text saying that i called her because i had something to tell her , and tell her to call me back within the next day till 5 pm for example i have heard somewhere that when you give a specific amount of time they would actually call back well and then if nothing happens next !!!

Author:	Neox00 [ Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:20 am ]
Post subject:	Re: HUGE Phone game sticking point !!!!! .... urgent
Quote: I had similar problems with conversations going nowhere after some exchange of text messages, no matter how hard I thought about them to make them really fun and creative. Now I just send one message to see if I get a reply trying to refresh the memory on who I was, and second message is to plan is to ask for a date (I know this word is AFC for a lot of PUAs, but yet many of these PUAs have 1000s of phone numbers and no dates) Something like: "Drinks? Saturday?" "Popcorns, Nachos, Candies, and the Avengers tomorrow night?" Most of the times they say they have something else to do the day I ask for, so just try to agree for a day and time where you both can make it. No need to be a super dominant Alpha guy here. This completely AFC, beta guy stuff has worked for me much better than any other PUA strategy. Hi buddy i think what you said about phone game is gold !! i would just ask you to give me an example of the first message you usually send , i don't care about looking beta , if i can set up a date lol

Author:	Neox00 [ Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:25 am ]
Post subject:	Re: HUGE Phone game sticking point !!!!! .... urgent
[quote="Send it all in one text. Just like that. THIS! IS! A! FUCKING! WEAPON! I play with emotions alot when I am running game. When you create intense emotions, you can flip them around, be it negative to positive or positive to negative. What this particular text does is makes her feel ALL DIFFERENT types of NEGATIVE emotions as she is reading it... She's thinking "WHAT THE FUCK IS HE GONNA ASK ME?!" and then BAM! You flip it around on her at the end. Turn it into something that is complete nonsense. It's what I call "putting her on the roller coaster".... and that my friend.. Is something, that once you learn how to control... will be EXTREMELY powerful in your game.[/quote] I am gonna use your FUCKING WEAPON !!! it seems like a nuclear bomb , till i invent one of mine i will stick to something similar to this ...

Author:	worldrunner [ Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:24 am ]
Post subject:	Re: HUGE Phone game sticking point !!!!! .... urgent
First sms is something like this: Hey (Name or Nickname) how did you arrive home after (whatever she was doing when I met her)? Cheers, ____

Author:	Neox00 [ Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:17 am ]
Post subject:	Re: HUGE Phone game sticking point !!!!! .... urgent
Quote: First sms is something like this: Hey (Name or Nickname) how did you arrive home after (whatever she was doing when I met her)? Cheers, ____ Hey , thanks for the reply ,last girl i was talking about did flake ... somehow not my fault i did all my game well then i suppose , the stereotype they had about men here won after all lol , most of the american girls i met told me that they were shocked by the fact that every guy in the street here approached them ... so it is a big cause to flakes , i will tell you how , ususally i feel them attracted and even they would open me up sometimes after the first meeting , then ... they would never go for a day 2 , there was an article in the news talking about this lol and how local guys here caused many girls to even leave their study here or their work and go back to their contries because of sexual harrasement so i don't care if they flake... after sarging last night i have some new things going so , i will send this

Author:	.Sage. [ Sat Apr 13, 2013 7:11 am ]
Post subject:	Re: HUGE Phone game sticking point !!!!! .... urgent
Quote: Wait a few days.... I'm gonna give you a "canned message" that I got off this forum a while back that I have used countless number of times and it ALWAYS works to get the conversation going again... I re worded it a little bit but it goes something like this.... "Hey, I wanna ask you something that has kept me sleepless for days and I really want you to be totally honest with me. It might be kinda awkward between us after I ask you this but I have to know how you feel. I have kept this in my mind for a while now but it's finally time. I'll be straight up and just confront you.... I hope this doesn't ruin the relationship we already have. I just need to know and I don't see any other way I could get over it. Things wouldn't be fair on me if I don't get an answer. I want you to tell me truthfully, no matter how harsh your answer. I just want your honest opinion... Do you like coke or lemonade?" Send it all in one text. Just like that. THIS! IS! A! FUCKING! WEAPON! I play with emotions alot when I am running game. When you create intense emotions, you can flip them around, be it negative to positive or positive to negative. What this particular text does is makes her feel ALL DIFFERENT types of NEGATIVE emotions as she is reading it... She's thinking "WHAT THE FUCK IS HE GONNA ASK ME?!" and then BAM! You flip it around on her at the end. Turn it into something that is complete nonsense. It's what I call "putting her on the roller coaster".... and that my friend.. Is something, that once you learn how to control... will be EXTREMELY powerful in your game. YES! I love this one, used it several times, is literally the light in the darkness when you've lost a girl. Brings any convo back to life. Although I changed lemonade to pepsi, I'm prob going to change it to sweet tea cause I live down south... Anyways, remember guys it's insta-date or FUCKING DIE! Seriously, you're already out with the girl talking with her, if both of you are free hang out there and then. Don't wait until she gets buyers remorse, once you are past he shields you should build comfort like, always.

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