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Author:  djsavoy [ Sat Sep 01, 2012 6:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Not Getting Strong IOIs.. HELP!
Hey Guys,
I`m having a very hard time getting back an IOI from my sets.
I feel like I`m doing everything well.
Body Language, DHV, Kino, dealing with Approach Anxiety and so forth..
But I`m Not getting a strong IOI.. It frustrates me.
Should I put more Kino in or more attraction routines?
I`m in a fraternity so finding girls aren`t hard at all.

Here`s generally how my game goes.

Me: Opens with an opener. *Smile*
Set: Blah Blah Blah.
Me: "Hmm Let me see your palm" (Cold read) *Kino*
Set: "What?! You read palms?" Blah Blah Blah. Typical Girl Response
Me: Cold Read Her hand..
Set: "That`s so true!" or "Are you making this shit up"
Me: General Response *slowly shake my head and giver her the no*
Then I move into story telling that demonstrates value and set attraction spikes.
I constantly Kino from here..

But from here, recently, I`m totally lost. Before, I had so much IOIs coming to me. I`m not sure what "phase" I`m going through but I don`t see enough positive response. Sometimes I DO feel that I use too much cold reading such as the Cube, Palm reading and the "why wear your rings in certain finger".. is that too much?

Thanks
Author:  InstantClassic [ Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:52 pm ]
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it sounds as though your relying too much on material and not enough on feeling. Your trying to make every conversation pattern fit your routines without seemingly enjoying the conversation/ experience. As for the IOI's not every IOI has to be over the top noticeable, in fact most guys wont even notice IOI's properly. Try looking at some of the body language video's here on the forums. And when in converstation with girls try to use more natural game, start feeling the conversation, feeling the girl (emotionally) and who knows, the responses you get may be stronger

hope this helps

Carl
Author:  Ilustrado [ Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:20 pm ]
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Agree with InstantClassic on this one. You're being a pick-up robot; you're relying on routine and just going through the motions instead of enjoying the interaction. It's fine to use routines, they're useful tools, but don't just go through them one by one until you run out. Learn more about natural game and become a good conversationalist rather than just remembering and repeating lines.

Once you've become a good conversationalist and having good posture and tonality are first nature, you can start to focus less on yourself and give all of your attention to the girl. If you really pay attention to her and listen then it's much easier to gauge what she's thinking and feeling, from which you can determine whether or not she's interested. You don't need huge IOI's, as InstantClassic said, many of them are very subtle. Look out for these:
  • -She keeps scratching the back of her wrist or behind her ear.
    -She plays with her hair.
    -Her legs are crossed but facing towards you.
    -When you lean back or move away she leans in slightly.
    -Look into her eyes, see if she maintains eye contact.
    -If she's laughing at your jokes when they aren't funny.
    -She's always smiling when she talks to you.
    -You take hold of her hands or touch her and she doesn't pull away.
There's a whole load more, and a lot of them are a lot more subtle than that, but you get the idea. Also note that some of them can be misinterpreted - she might just be itchy, or her smile might be fake - learn to tell the difference between a fake smile and a real one.

Just pay less attention to yourself and more attention to her. When she speaks, don't just hear, actually listen. If she says something interesting talk about it instead of going into the next routine.
Author:  LunarCareface [ Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:56 pm ]
Post subject:  THE Solution
My guess is that youre becoming the dancing monkey of the day. Once you open your sets with an entertaining routine they want more, and once youre done, theyll leave you for something new and exciting.

What you should try to do, is to add a few take-aways. When you do cold reading say that it aint free, and that you want the name of the girls hairdresser, so you can get your pet groomed. Or even better. Bust her balls for something shes said. :twisted:

Youre just a bit to available.
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