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Author:  vcwriter [ Tue May 29, 2012 12:24 am ]
Post subject:  Hot nights, but days are luke warm
A few years back when I hit the clubs more... I found a few tricks that worked for me, and could raise a girl's buying temperature. As I get back into improving myself, I find my game doesn't really work during the day.

The main thing is I can be way more sexual in a nightclub than I can get away with during the day. In a nightclub, I can touch a girl around her waist, I can tell a girl "you look like you're gonna get into trouble", I can dance with her, and I can ask her to tell me about her craziest sexual experience.

These are all things that would seem a little (or a lot) weird if it happened between her and a stranger during the day. And even at an evening BBQ with an extended group of friends, the friend vibe trumps the evening vibe. Even if I found a way to push the sexual stuff in an extended friend group, I could only get away with it once before I now have a pattern of being a douchebag. (My friend circle is more important than my sex life.)

And I AM meeting hot girls through work, or through my friends. But whereas I can get a girl at a nightclub into sex SOON (that night, or next time I see her), I somehow end up going down a friendlier path with other girls. Either they become friends in my extended circle that I converse with, or I ask them out and things aren't really "hot". Nice conversation, but that's it. Datable, not "tear off each other's clothes" fuckable.

The obvious is true: your friend's BBQ is not a nightclub. A girl you walk to the subway with after work is not a cocktease in a minidress.

Anyway. I'm interested to know how guys have created a sexual vibe during the day, or in a social circle.
Author:  vcwriter [ Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:42 am ]
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Bumping this because I'm sure SOMEONE must know what I'm talking about. How do you create a sexual vibe in environments or situations (work, lunchtime BBQ, running errands) where being overtly sexual would come across as sleazy or weird?
Author:  Slywalker [ Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:29 am ]
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You are in bliss my friend, this is the good part of pick up, once you have mastered this you will be a true artist, and trust me. You are close!

When I first started college, I was awesome in the clubs, and I really knew how to turn a long term flirt on to a girlfriend or fuck buddy. But all of a sudden in college I was surrounded by hot girls just ready to be dating but I had missed this part of pick up. I posted on this forum and asked if anyone had any advice for a mix between my direct club game and my indirect day game, and Chief who I then considered a kid told me, "Just do it man" and as stupid of an advice as that was, I did and I succeeded.
So my friend, just do it!

The thing is, at the club, every one is expecting you to be sexual, forward and taking command of the situation. And there is actually no difference at all in day game.
In fact, because you are not expected to be all of those things I just said, you will come off as so much hotter if you are. To make sense of this, I am sure you have at one point seen Sean Connery as James Bond. He is never a pervert, but always seductive and always suggestive.

You can be your nightclub self in college or on the street, just a little more subtle. Openers such as, "hey, you are really cute, come join me for coffee!" Could really work in a club if you replaced "coffee" with "drink". But the thing is, it works just as well during the day.

After I discovered this I became an expert on daygame, I found myself always picking up more girls on my way to the club than I did once I got there, picking up girls during the day is so much easier because you have no competition and you always catch them off guard.

So the solution to your problem is to practice practice practice to add some subtlety to your nightclub game and using it during the day. Watching some super smooth movie pickups should help too!
Be confident that girls like when you take command even during the day as long as you are smooth! If you haven't read my "10 things..." you should, I think you'll find plenty of useful tips there.
Let me know if you are struggling.
Author:  vcwriter [ Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:27 am ]
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This is good advice. It might not be the advice I wanted. But it looks like the advice I needed.

In short... a lot of the difference between the day and night is imagined. A little more smoothness at night, and you're pretty much doing daygame.

My last question has more to do with extended groups of friends.

Obviously you can create a lot of awkwardness if you develop a reputation for hitting on everything that moves. I think I can navigate the hurdles of two consenting adults in a short-term sexual relationship, and being smooth about that sexual relationship so that it doesn't blow up my social circle. But I can't figure out how to be smooth while I'm building that attraction.

You can get away with saying more aggressive stuff in a club because the environment is okay for that, and because you never have to see a girl again if it doesn't work out. But if you go too direct at a friend's house party or walking with a co-worker to the train station, you can't escape so easily. You'll run into her again, and she may create a lot of drama within that circle.

I know the easy answer is probably "don't do it". Just wanted to know if you have any other thoughts.
Author:  Champion_re [ Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:57 am ]
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Don't be afraid of being seen as a sexual guy in your friends circle. Tbh it will just give you even more chicks.

Me and my wingman are well known for being players among our friends and their girlfriends. This has a few effects:
1) It makes our friends GFs attracted to us. They tease/bash us about it, but in a playful/flirty manner. So we have to be careful to not steal a friends GF.
2) Our friends GFs warn their female friends that we are players, which instead just makes their friends very curious about us. They will shit-test us like heck in a teasing manner (but out of pure intrigue and attraction) and try to be really hard to get. But as long as you play it cool, are laid back while giving playful eyecontact... they are like free x-mas gifts :) Just be aware it may require a few meetings/parties since they have probably promised themselves to not fall for us, which they already did the instant they were warned hehe.

So my point is: Be cool with being the sexual guy. We have only had positive consequenses from it. Remember that girls get attracted to the guy who get girls... Pre-selection!!! Listen to what Slywalker said. He seems to know what he's talking about.

Cheers and best wishes :)
/Robo
Author:  vcwriter [ Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:53 pm ]
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Don't be afraid of being seen as a sexual guy in your friends circle. Tbh it will just give you even more chicks.

Me and my wingman are well known for being players among our friends and their girlfriends. This has a few effects:
1) It makes our friends GFs attracted to us. They tease/bash us about it, but in a playful/flirty manner. So we have to be careful to not steal a friends GF.
2) Our friends GFs warn their female friends that we are players, which instead just makes their friends very curious about us. They will shit-test us like heck in a teasing manner (but out of pure intrigue and attraction) and try to be really hard to get. But as long as you play it cool, are laid back while giving playful eyecontact... they are like free x-mas gifts :) Just be aware it may require a few meetings/parties since they have probably promised themselves to not fall for us, which they already did the instant they were warned hehe.

So my point is: Be cool with being the sexual guy. We have only had positive consequenses from it. Remember that girls get attracted to the guy who get girls... Pre-selection!!! Listen to what Slywalker said. He seems to know what he's talking about.

Cheers and best wishes :)
/Robo
Again, good advice, not what I expected to hear :)

My question to you is has it ever backfired on you? Has it ever gotten to a point where girls feel uncomfortable around you, or dudes think you're an asshole, or you can no longer hang out in that social circle because it's too uncomfortable?

The lesson I'm getting is I can go a lot further than what I'm doing now. But I'm still interested to know what's too far.
Author:  Champion_re [ Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:17 pm ]
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We don't have any probs within our social circle for being players. Ofc it can become a little uncomfortable if you hit on a girl and do a lousy job not able to spark attraction. If so, just chill, treat her as a friend, be relaxed and happy around her and she'll let her guard down after meeting you a few more times. And if she sees you get chicks on a constant basis, she'll soon crave your d*** in her mouth ;) (Pre-selection!)

Just remember bro's before ho's. If you are out partying with your friends at nightclubs, make sure to actually party with them. Don't run off to flirt 24/7 or you'll alienate them. Instead do some occasional pick-ups when opportunity comes.

Female-buddies and friends GF's will shit-test you alot out of curiosity about you, just keep your frame as a flirty person. Don't be AFC to them. If they bash you about being a player: Smile while looking them playfully in the eyes ;). Just be chill about being a sexual guy, dance + have fun with the girls (the non-targets) in your social circle and show you are a nice guy who cares about others. Be confident and stand up for being a PUA as long as you're not behaving like a douche.

And when you meet some girl you like at a pre-party... just go for it :)
Author:  vcwriter [ Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:48 am ]
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We don't have any probs within our social circle for being players. Ofc it can become a little uncomfortable if you hit on a girl and do a lousy job not able to spark attraction. If so, just chill, treat her as a friend, be relaxed and happy around her and she'll let her guard down after meeting you a few more times. And if she sees you get chicks on a constant basis, she'll soon crave your d*** in her mouth ;) (Pre-selection!)

Just remember bro's before ho's. If you are out partying with your friends at nightclubs, make sure to actually party with them. Don't run off to flirt 24/7 or you'll alienate them. Instead do some occasional pick-ups when opportunity comes.

Female-buddies and friends GF's will shit-test you alot out of curiosity about you, just keep your frame as a flirty person. Don't be AFC to them. If they bash you about being a player: Smile while looking them playfully in the eyes ;). Just be chill about being a sexual guy, dance + have fun with the girls (the non-targets) in your social circle and show you are a nice guy who cares about others. Be confident and stand up for being a PUA as long as you're not behaving like a douche.

And when you meet some girl you like at a pre-party... just go for it :)
This is really good advice. Try bringing some of that playfulness from the club into my normal interactions. You're right that I'm not a douchebag as long as I'm not fucking over my bros, lying, cheating, and so on. There's no conflict between caring about other people and still being sexual.

I'm gonna try putting it into action.
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