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Author:  Taiden [ Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:41 am ]
Post subject:  Trouble with escalating kino
I was with a girl the other night who I am aquaintainces with. We were at her place, shooting the shit since I hadn't seen her in 6 months. Since I am a beginner to this whole thing, I was using this as a chance to try escalating kino, borefriend destroying techniques, and reading IOIs.

I got to the point where she verbally stated that she considered her relationship to be mostly physical, and she 'probably' used it as a placeholder for feelings after she broke out of a LTR.

Also, about halfway through the night, I noticed a series of IOIs. At the beginning of the night, she was tense, only looking at my eyes 25% of the time, hips angled away from me, no mirroring. About halfway through the night, I noticed her playing with her hair while looking directly into my eyes 80% of the time, licking her bottom lip, EXACT mirroring, and hips facing me directly while I was facing her. On top of that, the times we were standing and talking, my face was about 8" from her face.

Now, I feel like that's more than enough IOIs for me to go for it, especially since she's an introverted (but outgoing) type.

However.... I honestly, being new at this, had no idea how to progress from lots of hugging and non-sexual kino, into kissing and sexual kino. It's frustrating for me, and I'm SURE it was frustrating for her too!


Basically, I'm having a really hard time going from non sexual kino to sexual kino! It's really annoying, because after thinking about the night, I'm positive I could have worked this to a f-close. It all just seemed to be working perfectly until this roadblock.

Thanks for any input, PUAF.
Author:  JSmooth [ Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:50 am ]
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As you already know this is a mental roadblock not a physical one. I'm sure it was frustrating for both of you. If you hugging and doing non-sexual kino then the only thing left for you to do is pull the trigger! Get close smell her hair, and kiss her neck. Or use a Kiss Gambit like:

"You want to kiss me?"

Yes/Maybe - Kiss her
No "I didn't say you could just look like you had something on your mind."

Sounds like you could have closed it down. Hopefully, this will help you. Don't making kissing into a big deal. It's not a big deal if you're thinking about the "F-Close," kissing is small potatoes. So, stop thinking your way out of having a relationship with this girl, pull the trigger, and kino.

You can do it, I have confidence in you man!
Author:  Chikito [ Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:09 am ]
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Author:  Gun [ Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:50 am ]
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If it feels wierd when you try to k-close, then you are not doing it right. The transition to the kiss has to be smooth. Use more kino and compliance tests. For example put her hand on you knee and see if see leaves it there or sit her on your lap.She does?

Here is a post from a member from mystery's lounge on k-close tactics:
Quote:
Kiss tactics

Tic Tac - Craigs kiss tactic
You are sitting close. Pour two of them out on your hand. Do it very quietly. Say, "Hold on" Take one and act like you are about to put it in her mouth. This is to see what she if she tries to reach for it or just opens her mouth for you to put it in. Then, put it in your mouth and suck on your finger. Take the second one and put it in her mouth and stick your finger in her mouth(to get her to suck on it). Then you suck on your finger again. "I forgot to mention something about me, I am an Indian giver and I want my tic tac back." Then, kiss her.

If she doesn't open her mouth or take it, just put it in your mouth and tell her that she is going to need more than a tic tac. "You are going to need gum."

Mystery's kiss tactic "the kiss close"
You do this when she is nonstop talking. Very safe. In the middle of conversation, stop talking and create an awkward pause, she might start conversation with you. If she reengages, say, "shhhh you talk a lot, would you like to kiss me?"
. Yes - Kiss the bitch!
. No - I didn't say you could. It just looked like you had something on your mind.
. Maybe - Lets find out.
. I don't know - lets find out
. Not here or maybe later - "I understand." Keep talking. Couple minutes later, take her hand and pull her somewhere and make out with her.

Style's kiss tactic
I am trying so hard not to kiss you right now. This is a statement of intent. Then seeing her reaction. If she starts kino, she wants it. Then try going up and see if she flinches. Then grab her head and pull it to your forehead. Then grab her hair and touch her and feel her. If she doesn't want the kiss, don't move her that close.
Whisper into her ear and tell her not to get any ideas.

Once you kiss her, move back away. Arm and arm or hold hands. Make out for 30 seconds and then get a good time bridge.
If you are running cocky funny you can try the STEAL A KISS ROUTINE

PUA: (does trick or tells story - whatever)
HBs: more more.. that was cool, do MORE!!
PUA: Fuck, typical woman... "more.. more!!" (said in troll imitating voice)
HBs: hey! we want more..
PUA: ok you want more.. I've got ONE more, just for YOU..
HBs: ok..
PUA: ok, do you understand VISUALIZATION??
HBs: yeah..
PUA: ok, are you intuitive?
HBs: uhuh..
PUA: yes?
HBs: yeah
PUA: yes?
HBs: yes.
PUA: are you intelligent?
HBs: yes.
PUA: are you imaginative?
HBs: yes.
PUA: ok.. close your eyes, and I want you to visualize a kiss..
HBs: HEY.. HEEEEY!! We KNOW what you're doing..
PUA: OK.. whatever.. (turn back on them, and sit there)
HBs: no no no.. ok we'll do it, we'll do it..
PUA: OK, close your eyes..
HBs: you're not going to kiss us are you??
PUA: WTF?? Look I don't know what FANTASIES you have, but I'm just doing
VISUALIZATION tricks here..
HBs: ok.. (close their eyes)
PUA: (KISS the chicks.. both you and your wing, or just you if you're solo)
HBs: hahahhahahahha.. HEEEEY... you promised!!!
PUA: NICE!!! (high-five your wing, or any guy around you, or her friends).. She
likes me!!
HBs: hahahahah..
PUA: nice.. I got what I want.. peace!!! (start to leave)
HBs: hey!! HEY!! come back!!
PUA: hahahah.. ok get this......


or u can use the The Question Game (Mystery)

You: "Let's play the question game."

Her: "What's the question game?"

You: "Well, it's like Truth or Dare but without the Dare,
because I don't know how weird you are yet! The questions have to be good ones,
no "where do you work" bullshit, ok? You go first"

Her: "I can't think of anything!"

You: "Ok, how many boyfriends have you had?

From there the questions will get deeper and more sexual as the game goes along.
Then after you have been playing for a few minutes, when it's your turn you can say

You: "I have a good question for you... Would you like to kiss me?"

Her: "I don't know"

You: "Let's find out!"

*kiss*
Author:  Taiden [ Sat Dec 01, 2007 7:36 pm ]
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Thank you all for the strategys. I just had no idea what to do to bridge the gap between non sexual and sexual kino. These are tools that I look forward to using.

On top of all your help I found this site to be very interesting:

DiCarlo Escalation Ladder
t i n y u r l . c o m /2t4vpq
(PUAF won't allow me to post links. Too much of a postcount noob.)

I was at incidental class 3 for way too long. I could see the attraction and rapport plateau, and then slowly fall off as I did not continue the escalation. I consider this to be a very valuable learning experience. I'm going to be seeing this girl again next week. She's even baking cookies for me. :P
Author:  Artist617 [ Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:45 pm ]
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good reply
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