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Author:  Trickster [ Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Need some good advice for slipping from Opener to DHV
Right i've got the openers i use down and a few DHV stories but my transition from opener and time constraint to getting into my routine needs some work.

Its like ive got the opinion or the answer i was seeking had a little debate my body language is relaxed and toward the set and i just start onto my next thread and i get this bad vibe and they sometimes start to go off me.

Anyone got some good stuff for the FIRST DHV story or gambit after the opener?
Author:  F-fresh [ Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:35 pm ]
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I suffer from the very same problem, solid openers and and few sweet DHV stories/fluff & negs, but i lack alot of the important mid-game content.

Last night, I approached more than 15 women at a club, but no conversation (despite 1 number close) lasted longer than 20 minutes.

My solution is just to dive deep into some more breadth of mid game theory. Work on transitioning, paterning and overall just trying to broaden my vocabulary so to speak. I'm just going to plan not to fall into the same repeated opener/sets. Expand your mind yo.

-Your Friendly Neighbourhood Fresh
Author:  masterPUA [ Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:47 am ]
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dont follow by text-book, you shouldn't have canned routines, that sound cheesy and thought out, even though it is a must to think them out. but dont worry so much about the step by step stuff.
Author:  masterPUA [ Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:48 am ]
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but to answer your question, say "the reason why i asked..." or "i wanted to know because..." but i hate opinion openers. i mean if someone asked me an opinion opener, id be asking myself why they wanna know. its almost a display of weak game.
Author:  Ubium [ Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:58 am ]
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Do not become paranoid, you'll be suprised after an opener you can start any story or DHV and women will not judge or chastise you as long as it is interesting. But for started if your a slight beginner you can use transitional lines such as "that reminds me" or "thats just like when I...".
Author:  Trickster [ Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:25 am ]
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Nice stuff thanks guys but if opinion openers are bad and i need to step up my 'openers' game then got any good techniques to start me off?

Muchos appreciated if you can help.
Author:  Lashram01 [ Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:01 am ]
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IMO opinion openers are not bad, try em. if they work for you fine, if not try telling an interesting story that just happened to you. . . .what I like to do is tellan interesting story that happened in my past and simply say it just happened. . . "I was at a red light on the way over here and this guy comes up asking for money, I motioned -No- with my hand - he still comes up to me and asks if I got any weed! So I look at him and say -Do I look like a pothead- and he says no man Jesus was a pothead and shows me a tattoo on his arm with Jesus and a pot leaf" ha ha blah blah.

This actually happened to me. 8)
Author:  Lashram01 [ Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:03 am ]
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oops, repost.
Author:  Apollo.69 [ Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:29 pm ]
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I no it sounds a little redundent but really piecing your own opener and dhv makes it alot easy to transition from the 1 to the other
Author:  sandman808 [ Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:06 pm ]
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opener should somehow connect to the DHV story

HOW TO OPEN
-Opener
-FTC
-"How do you guys know each other" in mixed sets, find out if target is with bf, if so eject
-"oh speaking of (opener) .. " Go into DHV story that relates
Author:  The Brand79 [ Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:30 am ]
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Quote:
IMO opinion openers are not bad, try em. if they work for you fine, if not try telling an interesting story that just happened to you. . . .what I like to do is tellan interesting story that happened in my past and simply say it just happened. . . "I was at a red light on the way over here and this guy comes up asking for money, I motioned -No- with my hand - he still comes up to me and asks if I got any weed! So I look at him and say -Do I look like a pothead- and he says no man Jesus was a pothead and shows me a tattoo on his arm with Jesus and a pot leaf" ha ha blah blah.

This actually happened to me. 8)
Something that really happened to me but it was in 2003. Heres the story. I get off the freeway to the hollywood blvd exit, a bum is standing there with a sign"WILL WORK FOR HEAD" shows it to a guy in a car next to me, then makes a gesture asking for a ciggarette. Anyone recomend I use this as an opener pretending like it just happened?
Author:  wip [ Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:31 am ]
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yeah i think if your going to use a canned opener you should relate it in some way to a good dhv story, that way its an easy transistion into your story, open, hook and actually that reminds me.... if you already have a good DHV story work an opener from that, and that way its more original
Author:  hollywood89 [ Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:25 am ]
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the easiest stories to tell well are the ones that you have thought of yourself. in my opinion, original material is much easier to deliver naturally.
Author:  The Wild One [ Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:52 pm ]
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Use an opinion opener time constraints, etc. Then without warning transition to this has been a crazy day. I got picked up for the airport by an ex g/f that volunteered to come get me. She picks me up in this brand new Ferrari and I get into the car. Her car is a audi a6 so she's waiting on me to say,"wow this car kicks ass" Anyway we get pulled over by the cops leaving the airport, and the car isn't hers. She took it from the lot were she was modeling with the car. So I just had to get questioned for two hours because she wanted to take a joy ride. Hows your day been?

The hows your day been is a great way for you to allow a girl to tell you everything about herself in the period of 30 min or so. Then I usually bounce to another bar and kiss close.
Author:  BadOmn83 [ Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:47 am ]
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From the sound of it you actually havn't moved into A2. You're really just stuck in A1. DHV stories don't really come right after the opener. What you need to do is Root or Ground your opener. This doesn't need be a DHV story just a reason for asking. Give the reason you're asking. And as they're giving their opinion (Important: Don't wait til they're finished answering, just cut it off and move on) start a DHV routine or story. The best transition is no transition. Just say I just noticed something about you then move into your first routine. Or say that just reminded me... then DHV story. But if you use "Oh, that reminds me... make sure it's relevant to what they're saying. Or else it seems like you weren't listening to them. Pay attention for things to neg them on.

I really think your problem is that your too focused on what you're going to do next and you're not paying attention to what's going on in the present. Remeber this is supposed to be a spontaneous and natural interaction.
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