Fairly gutsy, however I can see it working brilliantly...
cheers
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| Author: | Elkins [ Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:49 am ] |
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Hey all. This is my first post outside of my introduction thread and I'm just looking for some opinions on a lock-in prop/neg combo that I'm putting together and testing this week. I'll be using a ring for my prop because the hand/finger kino can be maximised, but this could easily work with any of your other peacock feathers. Go easy on me by the way, I'm still relatively new to Gaming, but I'm quite confident, and willing to command a set. So I'm thinking something along these lines, a few minutes into your set* Make sure you're talking to her friend to begin with of course, and do things how you would normally to begin with. Then, when you've finished talking to the targets friend, You give your target an opportunity to start speaking, maybe ask her an question. Then after a few seconds, stop her from talking with a simple "Oh, hold on a second, before I forget what I'm about to ask.." then take off a bracelet, ring, hat anything you can use to give to her (I personally think a ring would be the best item to use). So request she puts out her hand, and place the ring in the center of her palm, then close her hand for her before telling her "Now, you hold this. And whilst you're holding it, you can't say a word. If you do, there'll be trouble. And when I take it off of you in a minute, you can speak again all you like. Deal?" as she goes to disagree or agree with you, you can cut her off by way of saying "AH-AH, you're holding the ring! Sh!" Continue talking to the friend for a while longer, maybe take a chance to close a thread or start up a new one, then when you're finished you can either take the ring straight back again, or you can add in a comment to the friend like "Is she easier to handle like this? I can tell from that look on your face you're glad to have a break, right?" before taking your ring back and putting it back on. You can also congratulate her on not interrupting for however long you spoke for possibly. Hopefully if you succeed with this you should've made a decent lasting impression, and definitely altered the values of the set. This prop usage also has a second part to it which can be used later into the set if you've managed to get your HB alone. Take your ring off again. Then initiate kino by asking for her hand again. Whilst doing this say "Don't worry, this is a different one to earlier. Watch." Take the ring, slide it onto one of her fingers whilst holding her hand with your free one. You can neg here by commenting on the size of her fingers if you wish ("Geez, I hope I can get this thing off in a minute!"). Then when you've chosen which finger and put the ring on continue holding the hand. If you didn't neg about the fingers previously, you can hold her hand up and look at the ring on her fingers and make a comment about that (something like "Hey, this almost looks good on you!"). After making this, lower her hand and give her a quick IOI test before hand-throwing away, then tell the target that you'll be back in a couple of minutes, and that she has to look after the ring. You then turn out, and walk away, go to the bar/etc maybe even go open another set, until you return to her, where you can get the ring back and continue as normal. Obviously don't forget to congratulate her upon retrieving the ring, but this would also make a good push-pull, as you can then lower the value of your congratulations, by adding something on like the ring being slightly sticky, or dirty. *The beginning scenario would also work well if target had interrupted you, only you'd replace the opening with something such as "Now, that was very rude. But instead of coming down there and kicking your ass, I have a different idea..." before getting out the ring. So, what do you think guys? Would this routine stand up well in the field? I'd like some pointers here and there if they're needed, as I'll be testing this one out this weekend! I get the feeling it may be too neg strong in places, but I'm really looking for some experienced opinions before I take it into the field. Thanks all, Spell |
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| Author: | Tigra [ Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:40 am ] |
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Fairly gutsy, however I can see it working brilliantly... cheers
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| Author: | Elkins [ Tue Sep 01, 2009 4:27 pm ] |
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No worries Tigra, but in my opinion though, if you're not running a gutsy game, then you're not having enough fun as you could be  Obviously feel free to change it as you see fit, how do you feel about the amount of negging in there? That's definitely for me the area I'm a little unsure of. It shouldn't be too bad if you run the first part, but the second part I feel is a tad stronger. And obviously of course a lot of this runs on whether you're keeping the friend interested too, but the way I'm looking at this now is to maybe try and open as many threads as possible, so they don't really get a chance to cut in at all
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| Author: | -Wolf [ Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:52 pm ] |
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Hi Spell, I'm quite new as well, so I might not be right when I say, that you need to know that the target is willing to apply to your rules of silence. the frame you are setting is rather threatning and as I read you post I see the target starting to signal to her friend, that she should not talk to you... that it is time to move on... also I think, that the amount of negs are... too threatning... I think, that you will scare away the friend og the target, by being THAT impolite towards her friend... I might be wrong... but before starting this routine I think you must have in some way 'earned' the 'right' to show that amount of dominance... Not critique... just thoughts - Wolf |
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| Author: | Elkins [ Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:29 pm ] |
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Thanks for the opinion, like I said, it's very much in an early stage and needs work and you've highlighted exactly what my fears about it were.  But don't worry, I know myself that I wouldn't just use the routine instantly, I would definitely wait until they were a little more comfortable with me and I with them and only then would I use it if it felt very appropriate to use. As tigra said, it's very gutsy, but being willing enough to assert yourself and take that risk could have a positive effect on your value. Even if it doesn't, fine you can't win 'em all, but it's a good confidence booster also, getting you used to being fairl controlling and whatnot. Also I don't know whether I made it clear or not, not all of the negs given are to be used, they are all completely optional and can be taken in or out as the user sees fit. I wouldn't use them all and I don't expect anybody else too for that matter, and i've written the scenario as more of a guideline than a rule-set. Thanks again for your opinions, and feel free to suggest how you would alter it for the better
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| Author: | Tigra [ Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:43 pm ] |
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Quote: No worries Tigra, but in my opinion though, if you're not running a gutsy game, then you're not having enough fun as you could be
Intriguing how you mention the negging. I think the negging might be a bit over the top. Just a bit, yet again sometimes you get away with it. I reckon this probably would not work on a girl with a high self esteem. Also she has to be into you before you can pull this. The negging is definately a bit more than i would normally use.Obviously feel free to change it as you see fit, how do you feel about the amount of negging in there? That's definitely for me the area I'm a little unsure of. It shouldn't be too bad if you run the first part, but the second part I feel is a tad stronger. And obviously of course a lot of this runs on whether you're keeping the friend interested too, but the way I'm looking at this now is to maybe try and open as many threads as possible, so they don't really get a chance to cut in at all cheers
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| Author: | Elkins [ Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:09 pm ] |
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Again to you Tigra, like I said, the negging is totally negotiable. It's not all obligatory, and it can be changed as you see fit! Oh and I'll definitely only play that one on a target which I've already got some chemistry with, even if it's only a foot in the door, I don't think I'd ever consider using it on a 100% cold approach, totally wreckless
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| Author: | Exstasy [ Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:43 pm ] |
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I like the general idea. A Few Pointers however: Telling your target to keep quiet whilst she holds your ring is asking for a quite high amount of compliance. A lot of girls are going go against the idea and protest by going to dance or simply refusing. Besides there really isn't any point to it, it just feels like one big neg! The second part you wrote about seems far more realistic and useful. It actually builds on one of Mystery's idea to simply leave a lock-in prop with a girl, in my opinion this is better. It enables you to build some kino with her hands and fingers and allow her to become comfortable with your touch. Theres also plenty of mini compliance tests you could throw within it. The little negs you mentioned calibrate the IOI you're offering her by trusting her with your ring and allowing her to keep it for a while. The best compliance test is that, once you leave the ring with her, and you walk off, you can turn around and check what she does with it. Does she leave the ring on her finger or even better is she playing with it? Obviously clear IOI's. If she takes it off her finger, you know you've got work to do! Hope this helps. |
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| Author: | -Wolf [ Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:44 pm ] |
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Well... Spell, Can't tell you how it would work before I've tried it myself... think I'll do it... I do like it... When I've tried... maybe I will be able to change any 'wrongs'  - Wolf |
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