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| Author: | smokedoutabear [ Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:56 pm ] |
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Ok this is going to be a little complicated... I'm a pretty good looking guy and I tried the C&F thing. The last few girls I've been with all said they were attracted to me more because I was "cocky." However I keep having negs backfiring... whenever I neg the girls always take it as i'm looking down on them and start to say they feel they arent good enough for me or that they dont deserve me... hell one girl even started crying.. Umm any advice here? Teasing works well for me though. Negs dont. any advice on how to fix this? |
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| Author: | Romeo7 [ Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:34 pm ] |
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The better looking you're, the less you use neg Let's see, if you think about it The point of using a neg is to lower her value, and raise yours up If you looks and clothing are good, and you display c&f (confidence + humor) youre already displaying a pretty high value, why lower hers and raise yours even more Get it? Just don't use negs Unless unless, you come across, a super hot chick, by that I mean SUPER SUPER HOT |
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| Author: | magicJ2007 [ Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:22 pm ] |
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*REMEBER* how neg and challenge works. IF you neg a HB LOWER THAN 7 TOO MUCH , SHE WILL EITHER LOOK AT YOU AS A JERK , OR SHE WILL FEEL HURT, AND WHEN PEOPLE IS HURTING THEIR DEFENSE BARRIER COMES IN , WHICH IS THEY WILL SLAP YOU OR CUSSED AT YOU. HB 7 OR LOWER HAVE LOWER SEL ESTEEM THAN HB 8 OR HIGHER. IF YOU NEG TOO MUCH THEY WILL TAKE IT AS OFFENSE AND if HB take it as offense , you need to now know how to recover from what you did. I myself negg girls too much sometimes, BUT I LEARNED HOW TO RECOVER. HAHAHA I BET YOU WANT TO KNOW THAT. Muahhhhh hahahahah here it is the solution to recover: it is just an EXAMPLE >>>> JUST FOR YOU TO GET THE IDEA... I DONT USE THIS ONE... I USE IT SOMETHING SIMILARRRRRRRRRR........ Pua: wow ,,,,,,, you are soOOOOOOOOO Power full ,and agreesive. You know I still love you. Are you some one can accept sincere compliment ???? HB: BLAH BALH....... PUA: YOU ................ AREEEEE....... FABULOUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSS... ( THEN GO FOR A HUG, AND KISS ON THERE CHEEK.) REMEMBER the more times you fail , the more times you ll learn how not to fail. That is how you will FINE TUNE your skills in da Field. MAGIC J . |
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| Author: | Apollo [ Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:58 pm ] |
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Like above, negs are just used to control the balance. If you are better looking than the girls you are going after, why aren't you going after better looking girls? Haha, I do believe that you have the balance in your favor already. |
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| Author: | xLINKx [ Tue Jul 31, 2007 6:21 am ] |
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What negs are you using? Maybe they need to be re-worded a bit. |
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| Author: | smokedoutabear [ Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:05 am ] |
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Well its not that the girls aren't hot but for some reason I keep finding the hot girls who used to be nerds but then blossomed into hotness but still has that deep insecurity or the hot girls that are so damn hot guys are always afraid to talk to them so they feel like they're ugly. I wouldnt know if i'm better looking but thats a weird comparison to make.. I cant really remember the negs I used but I remember the results of them.. majority of the time they just work against me. What i'm getting from you guys is that maybe I'm wording them wrongly or your saying once equilibrium is acheived in our interaction then additional usages are counterproductive. If I have a natural balance or the upperhand to lay off the negs but if she has the upperhand to neg her down. I'm going to start opening sets later this week for the first time in months (gulp).. right now i'm relearning the fundamentals and trying to memorize a few routines. I'll try a few with negs and a few without, post them and I hope everyone can give input on them. |
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| Author: | MissingLink [ Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:04 pm ] |
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I was wondering that too Like what do I do if a neg backfires and makes her pissed or upset? |
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| Author: | xLINKx [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:21 am ] |
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The negs can't be just negative, they have to have a somewhat good intention to them when you say them. Like: "oh your ears wiggle when you smile" you're still giving her a compliment at the same time. |
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| Author: | chachi [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:47 am ] |
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Quote: The better looking you're, the less you use neg
this is not true. smokedoutabear can you try and remember some of the negs you are using? The problem may be because they are coming off wrong. Or because the girl is insecure or has low self esteem. |
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| Author: | Persuasive [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 4:41 pm ] |
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Let's try to stay away from blanket statements because there are variables to everything. Do some light screening, but what I learned from Monkey is to CALIBRATE. There are hot girls with insecurities and there are A LOT of HB7s and lower who think they're HB9+. I hate this by the way. Looks don't always correlate to attitude. Tell us some of the CF comments you hit them with. |
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| Author: | Apollo [ Thu Aug 02, 2007 5:01 pm ] |
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Style recommends that whenever a girl takes a neg the wrong way, immediately follow it with a compliment. That way it evens out her emotions and the value system again. |
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| Author: | Paradise [ Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:10 am ] |
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Quote: The negs can't be just negative, they have to have a somewhat good intention to them when you say them.
Such a great neg! Its not as in your face as alot of others i heard, but totally accomplishes the same goal. I'm so using it next time I'm out!
Like: "oh your ears wiggle when you smile" you're still giving her a compliment at the same time. |
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| Author: | slck [ Thu Aug 16, 2007 4:18 am ] |
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Yeah I think its all in the type of neg and in the delivery. Try something light and always do it with a smile. I find that if they see it in your face and feel it from the inflection of your voice, then they will almost never take it wrong. |
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| Author: | villain [ Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:05 am ] |
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Sometimes a cocky funny neg, can come off too cocky... where you become an asshole... the equilibrium, as you say, requires your negs to have balance, and a way out if you become too cocky on your negs. Delivery of cocky funny negs requires both verbal humour, and a touch of physical action to it aswell.... for instance, when I was in Thailand I tried to refine my art of cocky funny... these two hb 9's, i had opened them and i was at comfort building... the conversation went: Villain: You know... my book cover judgement of you two was SO wrong... HB's: book cover judgement... what do you mean... Villain: My first impressions of you two were (insert gay accent) Like Oh My Gawd, you two are the biggest bunch of bitches on this resourt... (return to my normal accent) and your the complete opposite... HB's: Awww... thanks... Villain: Yeh, you're just the second bitchiest girls on the resourt... *wink and a cheeky smile* The key is... have a smile while delivering it... after this comment, they bought me an icecream... and kept it rolling, saying you're working your way down the list slowly... for the ice cream you two are at #3... etc. Dont' go too over board, there's nothing worse than an over used joke. So perhaps your negs, are just plain insults. Just try to isolate how you deliver your negs... I know this may sound lame, but try practicing in front of a mirror, take note of not only HOW you say it, but how you're body's saying it. Your words could indicate that you're joking, however your body language, could be telling the HB a completely different story.... Hope this helps... good luck in the field |
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| Author: | Diamondtrim [ Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:01 am ] |
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The important thing to remember about negs is that they aren't all bad, They are more subtle. You are supposed to be insulting them on accident while trying to deliver a compliment. "How do you SNUFF them WITHOUT INSULTING them? Well, let's say she has long nails which are most likely fake. Now why do 10s dress so FINE if they don't want the attention? Sometimes they LOVE the feeling of control. They are in a club with friends and they want to be the leader of the circle (social hierarchy in primates) and so she gets all the attention. The guys come and buy drinks for them and she gets off on knocking the guys down. It's all in a days play. Ok, so she is wearing fake nails to look even BETTER! Most guys will say, "Wow you are so beautiful!" BORING, typical and in her mind by now, TRUE. Imagine now, a guy comes along and says "Nice nails. Are they real?" She will have to concede, "No, acrylic." And he says (like he didn't notice it was a put down), "Oh. (Pause) well I guess they still LOOK good." Then he turns his back to her. What does this do to her? Well, he didn't treat her like shit and INSULT her. He complimented her, but the result was to target her insecurity." Mystery |
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