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Author:  Undercover-lover [ Mon May 11, 2009 5:54 am ]
Post subject:  How to turn a failing Pick Up around
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The following contains material that some may find to be highly offensive. My only intention is to describe a technique. Nothing else. If the moderators find the following material innappropriate for this site, I ask that they reword, or delete the inappropriate material, and save the meaning of the post.
Again, I am not here to insult anyone, just to describe a technique.


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If your easily offened don't read this. This is not for AFC's. If you do not have the follwoing skills sets down, your chances of failure are high:

Calibration, negs, frames, reframes, C&F, non neediness, body language, and confidence.

This may seem strange, and does take some finesse and tact to pull of, but it works. (terrible syntax & grammar BTW :oops: )

Lets say your in a situation where you can still get a response from your target, but the attraction is dead.

Nothings working.

NOTHING

Everything you say is getting shot down, and your target is trying to push you away.

What do you do?

Follow these 7 simple steps:

1. Socially corner them. (PUA: It's cute how people play games when their afraid of their real desires)

2. Let them bring it back on you. (HB: what are you whining about?)

3. Question their reasoning, in a fun playful unaffected way (PUA: lol How am I whining? HB: Listen to you..)

3.Playfully reframe their response. ( PUA: lol expressing oneself is whining?)

4. remaining calm, and playful, go over the top about agreeing with them, followed by an extremeley C&F remark about your self. Or just cocky.. (PUA:I guess I'm a whiney little bitch then, well at least I'm still the sexiest man alive)

5. Let them neg you. Once they do, reframe their behavior while mixing C&F with a self neg (Your just Jealous cuz I'm god, -pause- I wonder why no one worships me though..)

6. The next thing you say must be shocking, and related to what you just said (PUA: Maybe its cuz I nailed that bastard to the cross)

7. Ease yourself into direct game, remain calibrated, and don't let the attraction die again.

That's it. You can even work this on someone you have known for years.
Author:  Zikki [ Mon May 11, 2009 11:34 am ]
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I like your breakdown, I love trying to turn cold sets piping hot lol.

Pulled a quality one off with my wing on Sat.

We did the do I look gay routine, I opened he came over to see if they validated his "opinion" or whether they back me up...

4 sum reason this set were cold and with bitchshielding double layers in unison...

they all started with insults, saying I looked gay coz of co-ordination etc, I expected this in some ways, I was opening the set so my wing could close it down so effectively what they thought of me wasnt important, the idea was for my mate to CnF his way in while I got auto disqualified by choice.

I thought Id have fun with it tho

HB8a - "well the fact your top and jacket co-ordinate but your shoes dont is terrible
Me - "Whats terrible is taking fashion tips from some1 in orange and black dress"
HB8b - "well thats a really popular dress, I should know I sell them"
Wing - "Yeah I thought it was, Ive seen 3 girls wearing them today"
Me - "So yeah taking fashion tips from girls in a weatherspoons* wearing Primarks** deal of the day isnt to high on my agenda, c u later girls"

* weatherspoons is a discount drink bar, its known all over the UK as the land of the Chavs and bums

** Primark is a cheap, chinease labour, clothing superstore, everything is bargain basement and the place is what Id consider my level of Dante's Inferno...


Effectively I negged myself out of the set and boosted my wing into it, from his report they spent next 5 mins bitching bout me, so obviously it worked lol
Author:  Undercover-lover [ Mon May 11, 2009 11:12 pm ]
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like your breakdown, I love trying to turn cold sets piping hot lol.
Thanx.

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Pulled a quality one off with my wing on Sat.....
...Effectively I negged myself out of the set and boosted my wing into it, from his report they spent next 5 mins bitching bout me, so obviously it worked lol


Lol, self sacrifice, now thats winging.
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* its known all over as the land of the Chavs and bums

** a cheap, chinese labour superstore, everything is bargain basement and the place is what Id consider my level of Dante's Inferno...
Sounds like you were in America :shock: Ok I'm done...

It's ok over here...

I guess.. :cry:
Author:  Zikki [ Tue May 12, 2009 9:16 am ]
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mate the UK is sooo good for gaming, seduction communities and PUA is hardly commercial over here, half the people dont even know what a times best seller is lol.... Neil Strauss could be anyone lol, Mystery method is unheard of lol.

Well not completely but per pop. there are alot more chances to game. VH1 ruined it for u guys, well ruined it after the accursed book....
Author:  ashtray69er [ Wed May 13, 2009 9:45 am ]
Post subject:  yeha
Same mate i live in New Zealand and no one knows of the game!!
Author:  Zikki [ Wed May 13, 2009 10:00 am ]
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yeah its deffinatly about not living in the US lol... no offence to any yanks but everything makes the media over there lol
Author:  hucker [ Wed May 13, 2009 6:20 pm ]
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dude, thats the basic pick up model most people use, but most arent that cocky.

you basically opened a target with no attraction for you then... you neged her, got shit tested, got through her shit test, dhv'ed yourself, and proceeded with more routines/game/conversation.

thats common pickup, the only difference is most guys wouldnt talk about nailing jesus to a cross. if i was a chick and a dude said that to me, specially one who i have no attraction for, i would blow him out immediately. tone down the cockiness/asshole effect.
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I'm still the sexiest man alive
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Your just Jealous cuz I'm god
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I nailed that bastard to the cross
i dont know how you could pull a chick using 'game' like this. but whatever floats your boat...
Author:  Undercover-lover [ Wed May 13, 2009 8:39 pm ]
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Guys, your making me want to leave this country :lol: and how could we get offened if its true?
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you basically opened a target with no attraction for you then... you neged her, got shit tested, got through her shit test, dhv'ed yourself, and proceeded with more routines/game/conversation.
This is for when everything your doing is failing, your DHV's are falling flat, negs are just making the situation worse, and you have so little complaince, that you can't even run a routine. Absolutely no other situation. Why?
  • - How shocking you are is very important.

    - Its the exact steps I'm talking about. Not the tools.

    - Socially cornering is different from a neg. A neg drops her social value. This openly forces them to hold their value, and to shit test you. A neg tries to avoid that.
A - Socially corner

B- Then you let her further hold her social position.

C- After that, unnafected by her, you reframe her reasoning, in a way thats fun and works to your advantage.

D - Then you must be overly C&F assume higher value, and then lower it. Not micro calibrate, DHV then DLV. All intentional.

E- After that you must shock her.

F- Then you jump straight into direct game. Why? anything after that would be incongruent.

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if i was a chick and a dude said that to me, specially one who i have no attraction for, i would blow him out immediately. tone down the cockiness/asshole effect.
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i dont know how you could pull a chick using 'game' like this. but whatever floats your boat...
lol the reality is, I did. Thats a word for word situation. Like I said it takes tact. You have to know what you can get away with. It's also not about being an asshole. This has a lot of psychology happening at once. I can break it down more if you need to see it. But then again, you could always feild test it :) Just make sure you understand what being said first.
Author:  hucker [ Wed May 13, 2009 11:50 pm ]
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the reality is, I did. Thats a word for word situation.
i didnt say you couldnt. i just said i dont see how this is possible. but i do highly doubt this story, mainly because in the last thread you posted that you're wondering why alpha males pick up chicks...

if your version of all this
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psychology happening at once
worked for you once, or even more than that, good job. but recommending this for other people to field test... i dont agree with.

i say that because i am completely alpha, and thats how i run my game. so for me to say something like this, even though i know im not going to get my ass kicked no matter what i say, this routine still seems like a recipe for disaster. plus i dont understand.. if you are such a pro on game and have all of this figured out perfectly, why would you let her loose attraction in the first place?

dont take this wrong, and its not a personal attack, but i picture your story going like this: you going up to a chick whos by herself and running some weak game that gets her annoyed with you. then when you realize that game is failing you figure 'ill shock her back into being interested in me by being crude' and run lines like 'im god' and 'im the sexiest man alive' and all of a sudden the chick is jumping into your pants. is this correct or is there more 'psychology' i need to comprehend in order to understand?
Author:  Undercover-lover [ Thu May 14, 2009 1:01 am ]
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Hucker, I'm going to answer your post, and after that, I'm going to skip over you until you give concrete arguments.
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i do highly doubt this story, mainly because in the last thread you posted that you're wondering why alpha males pick up chicks...
Are you talking about this post: need-help-understanding-a-common-routine-vt45052.html

In that one I asked what was happening in a very specific situation. Which is fine, I overthought something, and sought advice. No one person can know everything about anything. That in no way implies I had no idea how an alpha picks up "chicks" Its also not a sign that I lack any alpha qualities. Every king/queen, president, general etc. has advisors.

BTW I enjoy seeing different views than mine, so I will also tend to ask other questions as well.
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but recommending this for other people to field test... i dont agree with.
I was talking to you. If you don't believe it, test it. Don't argue with it. If it works for you great. If not, oh well.

Those who wish to test it will. I merely shared what works for me, so others may learn from it. One of the reasons for the community in the first place.

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i say that because i am completely alpha.............. even though i know im not going to get my ass kicked no matter what i say,
Of course you are.
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if you are such a pro on game and have all of this figured out perfectly, why would you let her loose attraction in the first place?
1. You can't have complete control over every situation.

2. I personally put myself in the worst possible situations I can. Why? Because thats how I get good. I am not just preparing for everything, Im facing everything

3. Try to pick someone up who hates your sub-culture. I personally get completly turned off by "Preps, soc's, wangsters, etc." So they would be in the exact situation that this is designed for.

This is meant as an emergency technique. Nothing else.\
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is there more 'psychology' i need to comprehend in order to understand?
TONS

But here is a simple explanation:

Proof that being shocking works: Marylin Manson, Jimmy Carr, Eminem, Bloodhound Gang, Ozzie, Criss Angel, Amazing Jonathan, Crowley, random celebrity acts of retardation.....

Again, know what you can get away with.
THIS CHANGES WITH EACH PERSON YOU MEET.

Steps 1-3 make the person become fully invested in the interaction. It also triggers commitment and consistancy* to their argument while subtly changing the vibe and energy of the interaction. By your reaction you are trigering various attraction switches** Its also setting you up to break her frame.


Steps 4-5 starts changing the interaction. You are setting up a challenge. Your shifting their frame, and thus chaning their view.*** Your also shifting the vibe, and creating a playful frame while triggering extra attraction switches****

Steps 6-7 lets her release any extra negative emotions. She gets to keep her social status, and the frame is completely rechanged. You out frame her, yet give her the dignity of being an equal (C&F followed by self neg). The shocking aspect shifts the interaction into your control. Extra switches have been tiggered*****

Easing your self into direct game is just the next obvious step. Your equals. Does this mean you don't have to qualify her? No



* Cialdini Influence: The psychology of persuasion
** in this instance you have non needy, alpha, conversational, etc. your challenging her, and she is becoming emotionally invested etc.
*** Your not just reframing her statement, your reframing her view of the situation, due to her commitment and consistancy.
**** Entertaining, intelligent (your wit), Safety (you didnt get angry) and you have also reinforced the previous switches.
***** Leader (you took control of the interaction) Socially skilled (you did everything above in just a few short seconds) A willingness to be vulnerable (you negged yourself, which is also very non approval seeking)



----Like I said, its not for beginners, and if you don't have certain skills down, you have a high chance of failure. If you do have those skills down, you will rarely get blown out.----



You also don't have to be as shocking as I was. It was an example to describe what one can get away with while doing it. Look at my giant letters of warning, where I say the words are not whats important, just the concept.
Author:  hucker [ Thu May 14, 2009 10:29 pm ]
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honestly, i didnt read any of that. if youre confident enough in your methods to take that much time to write that overly long post, good job and keep up the good work. youre the man! you should start charging for your advice mPUA
Author:  Blind_Oh!_bed_ience [ Mon May 25, 2009 6:33 am ]
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I agree
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