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Author:  abc1555 [ Fri May 09, 2008 12:58 am ]
Post subject:  Push / Pull
So I get the concept but can I get some examples, like day to day push and pulls you use with women?

And when should you use push and pull? Like if shes being really nice to you, do you still do push and pull or neg?

I already read all the ones Neil Strauss put out.
Author:  leftytheking [ Fri May 09, 2008 6:02 am ]
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I already answered your post in the "Newbies" section, but I'll copy and paste it here, for the benefit of those viewing this thread...

Push/Pull is where you show something to the target that brings her in, then shows a barrier.

"I would love to kiss you... but here we are at McDonald's..."

"I usually like girls with blonde hair, but you are changing my opinion."

Negs are reserved for a couple times an interaction. Push/pull is something that can be used a lot more. Any good push/pull is nothing more than giving some kind of compliment or statement of intent (SOI), and then acknowledging a barrier that needs to be resolved. A good push/pull will make the target try to do away with the barrier.

She says, "Well why don't we leave McDonald's?" or something like that.

Most push/pull examples are heavily dependent on the situation and the interaction, which is why there's not many push/pull examples that can be used anywhere.
Author:  David~ [ Sat May 10, 2008 1:50 pm ]
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Would "I could have kissed you right here and now, but you have a boyfriend." be a viable Push/Pull method?

or would a boyfriend be considered a barrier not to reckon with.
I usually never mention the boyfriend when I'm girlfriend stealing. It brings them into their minds, and I try and not to talk to them unless They bitch and I destroy them
Author:  alaskanthunderfuck420 [ Thu May 22, 2008 2:35 am ]
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no, you shouldn't mention her boyfriend. it must always be about you.
Author:  ellinaris [ Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:37 pm ]
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Understanding how to come up with these is fairly simple once you get the hang of it.

At any time, you can have a neg in your head, or if she did something you like, a possible compliment - but you feel like they wouldnt work if you said them. The neg would be too insulting, and the compliment would be too AFC. So you balance it out and make it a push-pull.



This is not only a technique IMO, but a concept in itself. Its the concept of unpredictability. You'll say something mean, and shell think wow, what a jerk. But then youll say something nice afterwards and it makes it look ok. I use this everywhere, because its ingenious. Once she thinks youre mean, you be nice. If she thinks she has you, do something that tells her otherwise. I cant get over how brilliant this technique is.

Be careful though, using these can make it look like youre supplicating. The push pull is something you have to have complete frame control over. If you give a push and she calls you on it, dont pull afterwards. Thats AFC. Youre forced to stick with the initial push or pull.
extreme example:
AFC: "You're such a bitch".
HB: "Jerk..."
AFC: "dont worry, I like it".
In this one you would have to pull back anyway because calling her a bitch is harsh, but I dont have any others in my head right now.

Its more powerful when you go right a head and say, in your own frame:
PUA: "Youre such a bitch. I love it". And then put your arm around her neck, ALPHA style.
Author:  ANDeeZY [ Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:16 pm ]
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Quote:
extreme example:
AFC: "You're such a bitch".
HB: "Jerk..."
AFC: "dont worry, I like it".
In this one you would have to pull back anyway because calling her a bitch is harsh, but I dont have any others in my head right now.

Here are some more.
PUA: Did you just get out of bed or is your hair always this messy!?
HB: *blah, explaining herself, blah blah*
PUA: No, you just have the I just had sex look rather than the classy look you usually have.




PUA: Nice shorts, but I see too many people wearing it.
HB: *blah blah, I need to get new shorts, blah blah*

two responses:
PUA: (only to a HB 9 or 10) You look a little better in them than the average woman.

or

PUA: (only to a 6-8) Hey you're one of the best ones in them so far.



Have fun ;)
Author:  D_Haile03 [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Push / Pull
ok is this a gud neg? mind you am just a biginer, I heard it frm a frend of mine and thought it could be used.

Every girl has the right to be ugly, but you abused the privilege"

if she is like "what, how rude bla bla"
i cld say "ny being amazingly gud lookin" push and pull aswel huh?
Author:  chrispb7 [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:19 am ]
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Personally, i think one of the most effective push/pulls is undermining rapport. ex:
"I kinda like you because you are sarcastic. But thats why we should never hang out, we would tear people to shreds. it would be pure evil."

This gets them chasing you and creates sexual tension.
I got this from Swinggcat. If you want to master push/pull get his e-book man.
Author:  alaskanthunderfuck420 [ Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Push / Pull
Quote:
ok is this a gud neg? mind you am just a biginer, I heard it frm a frend of mine and thought it could be used.

Every girl has the right to be ugly, but you abused the privilege"

if she is like "what, how rude bla bla"
i cld say "ny being amazingly gud lookin" push and pull aswel huh?

what? if you learned how to spell, we'd probably understand you better.
Author:  D_Haile03 [ Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Push / Pull
what? if you learned how to spell, we'd probably understand you better.


don't get me started. maybe if u had enough interlect you would understand what I was writing. you hopeless twat. dont tell me nothing bout my spelling. just answer the dumb question if you have a clue on how to approach women.
Author:  alaskanthunderfuck420 [ Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:50 pm ]
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women don't like men who can't spell :] haha good luck idiot.
Author:  MackB [ Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Push / Pull
Quote:
interlect
Quote:
dumb question

I think you answered your own question.

I'm not sure if you need game to pick up girls in grade 5, by the way. When your at least in high school, come back and we'll help you out.
Author:  ANDeeZY [ Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Push / Pull
Quote:
ok is this a gud neg? mind you am just a biginer, I heard it frm a frend of mine and thought it could be used.

Every girl has the right to be ugly, but you abused the privilege"

if she is like "what, how rude bla bla"
i cld say "ny being amazingly gud lookin" push and pull aswel huh?
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

It would be a good neg (for a 7-10 only) if you set it up right cuz you could come off as more of an asshole if you don't. BTW Don't open with that line damn newbie, lol.

But I wouldn't compliment her looks right after that. I would say follow it up with something like: "Well if you'd fix yourself up you'd look above average" or "but every other day you're coo though."


p.s. LEARN HOW TO SPELL!!
Author:  D_Haile03 [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Push / Pull
Quote:
I think you answered your own question.

I'm not sure if you need game to pick up girls in grade 5, by the way. When your at least in high school, come back and we'll help you out.
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ha ha ha nice one. ok i wasn't aware you guys take spelling so seriously, but i'll give you credit for pointing that one out. maybe you sud go teach the 5th grades english cos you are soo gud at it. and oh yeh you haven't answered the question. what can be improved on it and wat would you avoid, or include. and oh I am in secondary school
Author:  JimiDeanCox [ Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:46 am ]
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They already did answer it lol

I am a beginner so please point out any mistakes, but

I would do the same as ANDeezy and drop the compliment at the end but don't sound like an jerk.

I would add "I'm just playing, but seriously whats up with the hair"
if they get defensive and start making excuses I intitiate some physical contact with a hand on the shoulder and tell them its okay, but I would only use these on a girl I have some rapport with.

Disagree?
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