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Author:  chi31fan35 [ Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:22 am ]
Post subject:  Bragging Vs DHV
Any tips on how to stay away from bragging and go more into DHVing/storytelling? Bragging seems to be an issue with me.
Author:  Vandal PUA [ Sun Mar 08, 2015 7:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bragging Vs DHV
That's the problem with Mystery Method. Another way to DHV is simply by having a strong frame. I know that this sounds weird to you canned game people and you may be thinking "Yeah, but how do I get a strong frame?" It's one of those things that just kinda happens.

Believe it or not, you do not have to put DHV spikes in your story to DHV with a story. An entertaining story will increase you're value.

EDIT:

I realise that this is the routines section and I'm a natural game guy, but I think having a strong frame applies to any PUA. If you've watched Mystery's MPUA show on VH1, you see the guys running routines but failing. Why? Inner game.
Author:  chi31fan35 [ Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bragging Vs DHV
Thanks man that is really helpful.

I think more of my problem is straight bragging though instead of routines.

I've been trying to expose myself as more vulnerable recently by DLVing actually and it seems to be working a little better, I reeled a set back in yesterday doing it.

But I also don't want to come off as the lovable loser type. Do you guys have any advice for striking a balance?

Another thing to keep in mind is I have relatively low social value in bars/work, but very high social value doing open mics, so I might have to adjust my approach based on venue.
Author:  gatz [ Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bragging Vs DHV
Quote:
That's the problem with Mystery Method. Another way to DHV is simply by having a strong frame. I know that this sounds weird to you canned game people and you may be thinking "Yeah, but how do I get a strong frame?" It's one of those things that just kinda happens.

Believe it or not, you do not have to put DHV spikes in your story to DHV with a story. An entertaining story will increase you're value.

EDIT:

I realise that this is the routines section and I'm a natural game guy, but I think having a strong frame applies to any PUA. If you've watched Mystery's MPUA show on VH1, you see the guys running routines but failing. Why? Inner game.
Agreed with this! Telling an entertaining story is a DHV in itself.
Author:  Dr. Spargenator [ Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bragging Vs DHV
Well bragging is telling her of your high value. Dhv is simply implied. If you tell her a story about you and a bunch of girls in your car racing. That's bragging. Don't do that. But if you say that you your gf and a friend raced one time and we crashed and that's my reason for telling the story. That's dhv. If you tell her of one girl she will assume you've had many girls. Never try to protect your ego. A real dhv story has a reason behind it too.
Author:  Rico_luts [ Tue May 05, 2015 5:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bragging Vs DHV
hi , keep in mind that dhv stories must be congruent with who you really are .
so you should try building your own stories based on your real life events

try to come up with stories that happen to you or improve events that happened to you or even make up stories that could have happened to you . make sure to include dh spikes in them


most importent diff btwn dh story and dlv bragging is that in a proper dh story the main point of the story is not the dhv spike , while as when someone braggs you can clearly tell that the dhv spike is the main point of the story which creates a dlv .

goodluck
Author:  Big_H [ Sun May 17, 2015 11:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bragging Vs DHV
Quote:
and if you really are High Value. . . it's going to be pretty hard to hide.
But then again, it's pretty damn hard not to sound like a bragger, I've got that problem and had for a long term.
Author:  pumpington [ Sun May 17, 2015 12:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bragging Vs DHV
Try to embody the dhvs rather then talk about them.

Stand up for and protect your friends/loved ones.
Have previous girlfriends/open options of girls that are interested in you.
Have guys around that respect you and value your opinion.
Be emotive and socially liberated when in a social setting (feel free to speak your mind in other words).

If you can't embody these things then you can ''fake it, until you make it'' in the mystery method sense by telling ''dhv stories''. I think that was the whole point that is articulated through out the m3 model that coined the term ''dhv''.
Author:  dasmooth [ Sun May 17, 2015 4:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bragging Vs DHV
Subcommunicating your higher value is always better or as mystery would say , " demo them live".
Author:  Winchester [ Mon May 18, 2015 3:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bragging Vs DHV
Drop in hints for questions.

So I live back in the UK, but I worked at the UN in Vienna for a while last year.

When they ask where do I live I say "I'm recently back from Vienna, but I'm living in *whatever area*" - so if they are interested this will be followed up with 'cool what did you do in Vienna', I'll follow that up with I worked at the UN, but it was a beautiful city and very central, so I travelled lots of Europe on the weekend...then they ask where I've been...I can drop in Budapest or wherever, but I'll finish it off with something like but NY was my favourite trip...

You see were this is leading, then I'll qualify them with "so where have you travelled too?"

Basically, instead of my leading with I'm awesome for this reason, I'll drop hints, that leads to them asking questions, and all I'm doing is being polite and answering them. That's my tactic but I travel a lot etc, find something interesting about you, and then come up with a hint that can lead to them asking about it.
Author:  Eddie Fews [ Tue May 19, 2015 7:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bragging Vs DHV
You don't have to say what you already are.

Demonstrating value is for guys who don't believe that actually have value.

I think its an outdated concept. True value lies within a lot of the practices you'll be taught in the inner game department.
Author:  R.C [ Thu May 21, 2015 3:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bragging Vs DHV
Agreed with Eddie.

A true king doesn't need to verbally remind everyone he's king in order to command authority.
Same applies here.

And DHV is bragging. Sugar coating it doesn't change what it is.
Author:  T.R. [ Sat May 23, 2015 5:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bragging Vs DHV
Inner game can make a massive difference. Also, in between DHV's, find a way to laugh at yourself about something. Guys trying to brag will never admit weaknesses.
Author:  PatrickAnanda [ Mon May 25, 2015 6:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bragging Vs DHV
Quote:
Any tips on how to stay away from bragging and go more into DHVing/storytelling? Bragging seems to be an issue with me.
Does a rich man need to tell you he's rich?

Why try to stay clear or bragging yet run to DHV. It's the same damn shit.

Before I hear the shouts from the legions of offended would-be PUAs, chill. I actually know the guys you read about. I'm familiar with all of it - and I still think it's rubbish.

Why?

Because. Isn't it much more interesting to aim towards being the best you possibly can be? I mean, why sit down and write down a DHV story, when your entire life can be the subject of legends. Now THAT is a worthwhile goal.

You know those men who always seem to get the girl? The strong silent type who have this relaxed vibe but always have this look in their eyes like all they have to do is reach out and the stars will be theirs? It's called an edge. It's what drives women mad. It's the appeal James Bond has, or the Dos Equis guy.

Wanna know how to develop one? Simple: Change your style, hit the gym, go on adventures, run a race, learn a new language, do something crazy, travel, get lost in the woods, jump a waterfall, etc... and then never tell anyone about it!

You can start right now though: Find what you rely on. Find your "DHV spikes" and then go out one night without ever mentioning them. I had a client who never quite connected with women, until I found out it was because he kept bringing up the fact that he was a producer for famous musicians. The women didn't care that he was a producer, they cared that he felt he needed it to win them over. The moment he dropped it and allowed them to play around in his playground, they started to love him (He's getting married next month. Wooo!)

That's just it: She wants to play in the context of you. You are not the painter, you are the canvas. Shut up a little and allow her to seduce herself :)

With love and respect
Mack
Author:  noahbrown [ Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bragging Vs DHV
Bragging in my defintition is conciously telling the girl how much value you have. While DHVing is already inside of you. Its the unspoken comminication that happends between you and women you dont even have to speak and she already knows you have value because you are good looking, confident, and are striving to be the best version of yourself.
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