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Author:  tongki [ Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:35 am ]
Post subject:  Need help on Push and Pull!!
Hey guys, I am fairly new to the PUA area. I've read a couple of books on picking up woman in a bar or club setting, but none in a school setting..

My situation is this, I go to a grad school and I met this girl a month ago, who is a first year. ( I am a second year). I've had drinks with her once (not 1 on 1 but in social gatherings) and had dinner with her as well. I think she showed some IOIs such as flipping her hair, hugging me (when she was drunk and sober once when I brought her lunch). However, she wouldn't text me first unless I text her first and when we are texting, I don't really sense that interest that I feel when I am with her in person. One explanation I can think of is that there are a lot of guys around her. She def is one of the prettiest girls in school, and I am pretty sure a lot of guys are prowling on her.

So my question is this... How should I get her attention and conquer her? I feel like.. giving her no attention might be the only way since she is so used to getting all the attention from the guys. Or should I constantly expose myself to her by sitting near where she studies and disappear all of sudden? Also, I can't directly approach her and tell her that I like her.. since she goes to my school and I don't want this to.. hurt my reputation in my school.. (it's fairly a small school).

I'm pretty bad at this pull and push thing (I usually just show the girl I am interested and peace it if it does not work) and I think it is really needed on this one.
Any suggestion will be appreciated! Thanks PUA masters!
Author:  tongki [ Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:56 am ]
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Thanks! I got the book and now I m reading it. It's good so far!! Just an update on what happened today.. She actually sat next to me in the library and studied with me til late. (Which is a good sign) During our break, I asked her some questions like "How do you view yourself, why you came here, etc" The conversation went pretty smoothly with no awkward silences, but she never asked me back the questions I asked.. For example, if I asked her "what are the some of the most important personal traits?" She would just answer and not ask me what I think are the most important. I'd imagine a girl who is interested in you would ask the question right back at you to assess what kind of a guy he is. So I guess I need to be careful right now to make sure I am not put in the friend zone and spark the sexual tension. What are some good ways to achieve this? Like good ways to build rapport/ emotional relevance?

Also, I decided to leave a little before she was done studying to sort of do the "pull-push" method to establish that "I work on my on schedule" vibe. Do you think this was a good move or bad move? Maybe I should have just waited for her to finish and leave together?

Thanks for the advice gurus!!
Author:  tongki [ Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:08 am ]
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Damn, those are some golden advice.. But how would I bring that subject of what "I THINK" is a good quality in a girl? I feel like it may be easy for me to just naturally transition into asking what she thinks is a good quality, but I m having a difficult time coming up with a smooth way of me.. smoothly bringing the topic of what I think is attractive. Do you have an example?

So to summarize your point, it's not wise to ASK questions, but tell her what I feel about certain topics and sort of.. challenge her?

As for the leaving part, why do you say she probably was not in my frame? and what should have I done to get her in my frame?


Thanks a lot!!!!
Author:  Roaker1 [ Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:43 pm ]
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So to summarize your point, it's not wise to ASK questions, but tell her what I feel about certain topics and sort of.. challenge her?
Yupp thats pretty much accurate, challenge her and make her qualify to you.

One of the best qualification examples comes from Mystery and goes something like this:

You: Why are guys attracted to girls?
Her: Because of their looks.
You: I figured you'd say that
Her: Why..?
You: Most people do, but beauty is common. For me, personality and good energy are much more important. Shallow girls are pretty boring.

Remember, you must bring these type of techniques in a light and playful manner, not serious as if you are ready to propose to this poor girl :) If you have done it correctly she will start to second guess herself and convey to you how she isnt shallow and she has good energy -> qualify herself to you. Now you have control of the interaction and she is inside your frame.

For the leaving part, either she wasnt in your frame or your frame wasnt strong enough because from how you describe it, it was an interview type of situation or a one way traffic thing.

"You: Most people do, but beauty is common. For me, personality and good energy are much more important. Shallow girls are pretty boring."

Is this DHVing yourself in a way?
Author:  Roaker1 [ Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:52 pm ]
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So to summarize your point, it's not wise to ASK questions, but tell her what I feel about certain topics and sort of.. challenge her?
Yupp thats pretty much accurate, challenge her and make her qualify to you.

One of the best qualification examples comes from Mystery and goes something like this:

You: Why are guys attracted to girls?
Her: Because of their looks.
You: I figured you'd say that
Her: Why..?
You: Most people do, but beauty is common. For me, personality and good energy are much more important. Shallow girls are pretty boring.

Remember, you must bring these type of techniques in a light and playful manner, not serious as if you are ready to propose to this poor girl :) If you have done it correctly she will start to second guess herself and convey to you how she isnt shallow and she has good energy -> qualify herself to you. Now you have control of the interaction and she is inside your frame.

For the leaving part, either she wasnt in your frame or your frame wasnt strong enough because from how you describe it, it was an interview type of situation or a one way traffic thing.

"You: Most people do, but beauty is common. For me, personality and good energy are much more important. Shallow girls are pretty boring."

Is this DHVing yourself in a way?
Author:  puaninja [ Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:02 pm ]
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It's also an opening. "Excuse me, I had to come over here because I saw you walk across the street and you have an incredible energy about you."

This can then be a focal point of your conversation and attraction throughout your routine. And it's not about her physically which is what most guys comment on. You'll be much more original with it. If you or her know about The Celestine Prophecy or about chakras or something, this can really open up the conversation. Just thought I'd throw that tidbit in here.
Author:  tongki [ Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:11 am ]
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Ok.. I think I sort of failed miserably in this convo.. Can any of you guys tell me what this girl is thinking, what I did wrong, what I should've done, and what I can improve on?

Background Info: She's a senior in college and just took a test in one of her classes, and she thinks she did terribly on it.

Girl: FKK I failed my test
Me: I am sure you did fine its ok
Girl: I totally failed.. I am drinking by myself at home
Girl: Fkkk
Me: lolll aww by yourself? don't drink by yourself I will be your drinking buddy
Girl: you should come over and drink with me!! (this was typed almost simultaneously as what I typed above)
Girl: I already drank 2-3 beers in 30 mins
Me: you need to slow down if you want to stay sober by the time i get there
Girl: hahah you can catch up with mee!!
Girl: but, no you really dont have to come.. I am just ranting to you about how i failed my test
and how i have to do well for the fina;
me: lollll did u eat?
Minna: not yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!
me: lets go eat
i'll treat u out
Girl: well but 1 of my friends is coming by on her lunch break to bring me food
ahahaa
so thanks anyways!
me: what is she bringing?
Girl: sandwhich
ahhahaaha
me: LOL
cmon u js took a midterm
u dun wanna eat subway
actually eat that for lunch
Girl: iz ok
i love sandwich
so beer and sandwich =heaven
me: lolll its good that u r not hard to plesae
Girl: NOPE
ahhahahaa
k ttyl ima go get my sandwich
tis here
=DDDDDDDDdd
me: hahah ok

this girl is giving me some confusing ass signs.. she is telling me to come over, and the next moment she says no it is fine..
Any suggestions??
Author:  xXcruxXx [ Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:26 am ]
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#1 Be a man!

Don't ask if you can come over. Just TELL her. "Alright, I'm coming over. Save me some beers!"


That's all there was to it but you lagged it with fluff talk. If an opportunity like that ever appears again, don't ask. If her friend was going or w/e fuck it, you're already on your way.
Author:  tongki [ Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:54 am ]
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Hmm, thanks for the suggestion!

But I feel like if I did say, "I am coming over save me some beer!"

she probably would've said " no no its fine" or.. I would've came off as too "easy"??
Author:  xXcruxXx [ Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:30 pm ]
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Too easy? Why too easy? If she says anything you simply say that you're just going over for some beer! (obviously you don't tell her you're going to fuck her or anything like that)

#2 It's only awkward if you make it awkward. On that note, never tell a girl that you like her, even if she likes you back. It can't get anymore awkward than this. Only tell her if you're in a LTR with her (ie she's your gf)

So, don't make it awkward when you're hanging out with the ladies. Be ready to come up with some BS excuse to hang out. You don't think she would've wanted to hang out with you? She texted you that she was drinking on her own! How often does this happen? I'd say it's pretty fucking rare. That's a definite IOI.

If you're going to be into pick up, you have to change your way of thinking. Read that real world seduction book that Tony suggested. Believe it when they say girls want to fuck you, but only if they meet up to your standards. You have to believe this in order to change your way of thinking/actions. Good luck.
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