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Author:  Baner [ Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:38 am ]
Post subject:  Im in the long term zone...fuck
If some of you are not familiar with what I am referring to, I have been placed in the, "he is good for a long term relationship" zone. I just recently realized this after reading reading some of DeAngelo's stuff. Apparently when your dating a girl you are initially catagorized. You can either either represent sexual desire (good), or long term relationship depending on the way you act. If you are placed in the "good for long term" zone first then the woman usually does not view you with very much sexual desire. Unfortunately I did not know what i was doing before and put myself into the long term zone and I am not really getting the sexual desire from her that I want.

How do I erase what i have done and make myself a sexual being before a long term man?

-thanks
Author:  Marco Polo [ Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:56 am ]
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Yep, you are probably very polite, a bit asexual, well mannered, not cocky, you almost never neg, never tease, always doing what they wish you to do, often suffering from one-itis etc.

Try to reverse all of this, start negging girls, teaseing, refusing to do what she asks you, game multiple girls in same time, stop being good guy and become more like badboy and come back with results.
Author:  The Wild One [ Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:13 pm ]
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Yeah I know what this zone is like man. You just have to assert yourself more in the relationship. Tell us some more about what is going on so we can better help you out.
Author:  spyder2k [ Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:18 am ]
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Or you could keep buying the meals and drinks, flowers, choclates etc. Hey Xmas is almost here, maybe it's time lol. :P
Author:  Starbuck [ Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Im in the long term zone...fuck
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If some of you are not familiar with what I am referring to, I have been placed in the, "he is good for a long term relationship" zone. I just recently realized this after reading reading some of DeAngelo's stuff. Apparently when your dating a girl you are initially catagorized. You can either either represent sexual desire (good), or long term relationship depending on the way you act. If you are placed in the "good for long term" zone first then the woman usually does not view you with very much sexual desire. Unfortunately I did not know what i was doing before and put myself into the long term zone and I am not really getting the sexual desire from her that I want.

How do I erase what i have done and make myself a sexual being before a long term man?

-thanks
You can start by projecting sexual innuendo and ambiguity into your interactions with her. Add in a small measure of asshole too, when she tries to treat you like the category in her head, instead of who you are, or who you want her to see. At this point it may work, may not.

The other option? Find a girl with less social value than her, and give her a pitty f..k. And make sure she finds out about it somehow.

You didn't do anything wrong. You just didn't frame the relationship properly from the start based on chick that was in front of you. So she framed it for you. And now you're the nice guy beta male. The provider. The long term prospect, and something to fall back on after she's given it away to everybody else first.

Again, you need to get this. Chicks, especially the young and inexperienced variety wont lead for you. They will either respond to your frame or frame it themselves. If they frame it for you, often you're done. They're also socialized to think all men are dogs. Why is this you might ask? Because those are the only kind of guys she responds too sexually, because that's all she's ever known. Unless she's been married before, every guy is constantly trying to hump her leg due to the short amount of time they have to spend with her. So often that's the only frame of reference she has.

So when you don't act like one she wont take you seriously.

A. She'll either think something's wrong with you, get scared, and try to sic one of her BBFIW (big boy friends in waiting) on your ass.

or

B. She'll think you're inexperienced and wont have any respect for you as a man.

Either way you don't get jack except a hard time, or played for a fool. Because she will not lead, nor initiate a sexual seduction herself unless you're a rock star or she wants you really bad (to impress her friends or something). And of course if she were to do this with you or any other regular Joe, she would feel like a slut and lose social value herself. Strange huh? I mean how can you DLV yourself by treating a woman with what you think is respect? Don't ask me bro, like you, I was just born on this planet. And we didn't make the rules. :lol:

Now neither one of these judgments about you are necessarily accurate. But consider for a moment who you're dealing with. Not Dr. Ruth. So you have to simplify things for them somewhat, by making yourself easy to understand. And by leading (defining the terms of the relationship from the start).

This of course can be a double edged sword as well, and that's another irony of course. In some ways it can feel like walking a tight rope (and she's the rope). Too far this way, or that and you fall off. Then you move onto the next one.

Another analogy is sticking your neck in a guillotine. One false move or misunderstanding on her part and she overreacts by tripping the lever. Whoops there goes your head, and your chances.

Still another is sort of like playing poker and Brittany Spears is the dealer. Whoops, was I supposed to shuffle the cards? Sorry you lose. Better luck next time. :lol:

This chick has placed you in the wrong category for her at this stage of her life, based on your behavior. Behavior which was wholly appropriate for anyplace but the bedroom. It just wasn't sexually attractive to her according to the only frame of reference she's ever had.

You can get away with this if dealing with an older chick, especially one that's been married before and understands men, but not usually a younger one.
Author:  Baner [ Sun Dec 23, 2007 7:34 am ]
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Wow, thanks for the responses guys. SO here is the "more info" that was requested.

We previously dated for the duration of about a year, she broke up with me almost a year ago due to my AFCness which i never understood until i entered the community. During that past relationship i always let her have the frame and was passive and far too romantic and long termy. It was at that point (over a year ago) that she put me in the "long term" category. I didnt understand why we werent having sex. I thought that maybe she lost physical attraction and i just wasnt what she wanted. Little did i know that it was actually my behavoir that put me in the position i was in. Now, almost a year later i have completely changed my outlook with women. I have done a lot of work on my game and know how to create and keep sexual tension (teasing, push and pull, hard to get, frame control, seduction). We have recently started dating again and she is blown away at the power that i have over her now. I can tell that she is so happy to see me not put up with her shit. So things have been going well, i have DHVd like no other. I have displayed social proof. I have displayed lack of neediness. But, with everything going so swimingly I realized that i still wasnt getting any. Even though i completely changed my attitude from passive feminine to masculine leader, in her mind, it is still like she thinks of me as non sexual (like in our previous relationship). I am beginning to feel hopeless. I really like her and we have so much fun with one another, but despite all my efforts, i think she still wants to view me as the long term relationship guy rather than the guy she is going to have sex with. The only thing i can think of to do is to just keep hooking up with other women, and when she finds out, she will realize that if she wants to keep me she will start having to treat me like a sexual being.

ANy ideas?
-thanks
Author:  Enlighten [ Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:28 am ]
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Well I think your question has been answered.

You need to build up sexual tension by push pull and kino, you need to act like an asshole but not too much.

What is sexual is what gives a man an erection... iF there is no inequality, no violation, no dominance, no force, there is no sexual arousal. Catharine MacKinnon.

Stop treating her like a flower, stop showing her that she is the only person in your life. If you make her feel jealous she will be attracted to you.

Also please do not give her any kind of gifts, buying meals, presents etc. Girls have no respect for man who buy them drinks etc. Try to make her buy things for you, drink or meal, and if she does that means she cares about you.

Some women will not give it up easy, they may seem dominate, smart and intelligent, but they very fragile inside. They afraid to give some1 else control over their well beings, happiness and become vulnerable.

This case is Lisa from Neil Strauss book The Game. She was the only one that wouldnt give it up to him for weeks even though he could fuck any girl within few hours of knowing her.

Try to create sexual SPAM when you take her to bed, start talking about sex and use Evolution phase-shift routine. start major kino and fuck her!!!
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