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Wow... mb your right ..
Now that I think about it, I always been puting the kino behind, counting on it 2 happend ( more or less ) by it self.. cool dude !

If u could point out a few good ways 2 kino easyly that would be cool. Oh,except the palm read and jewlry checking got those down ;p

Just a tip, many newbies come on here and try to crack a re-usable "formula" that they can repeat over and over. Unfortunately life, and conversation in particular, does not work in a defined, linear manner. Even Mystery's linear system involves re-calibration and taking steps back if need be. Personally, I believe that you will never become "smooth" if you are obsessing about what the next step in your "plan" is. What if she throws you a curveball? What if you get an interrupt? What if you genuinely get off topic? No formula will help you.

Don't get me wrong, its good to have a plan...and your plan seems reasonable. Just don't think of it like a formula. Think of these as "goals" or "guidlines" or "bullet points" to your conversation. In doing so, you will have control of the frame of the conversation and be able to lead it to where you want it to go--which is an ultimate goal of a PUA. Be prepared to skip steps, escalate early, or even backtrack if need be. Sound difficult? It absolutely is. The difference between an AFC and an aspiring PUA is not his skills, but its his recognition that these social dynamics can be learned, practiced, and improved upon with definitive results. You've already recognized this, which is great. So get some general routines, get out into the field (many newbies stay on the keyboard for way too long), and let us know how you did. If you do this regularly, you will improve. Guaranteed.

-Esperanto.

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along these lines.. Esperanto is absolutley correct 100%. ..

there is no formulas thats why its call pick up artist and not pick up scientist. Along those lines imagine every routine, story, game, gambit, one liner you have as a different type of brush. Each person is going to to have a different skill and comfort level w/ each given brush. And there is always more than 1 way to pick up a girl. Its a matter of using the tools that you're skilled with..

Wow, ok I c your point..

OK, how about the frame esperanto suggested, insted of the "formula" i make it a sort of "check-list" in a conversation, so that way the linear is not to the matter, but the point is still in, cause i rly think this is what u need to do 2 demonstrate value, un-needyness etc. =/

Author:	FeelTheBurn [ Wed Dec 12, 2007 4:10 pm ]
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Hey guys I think i finally got the secret formula I'w been looking 4. I checked work from TD to Style From MM to Bad Boy , wached all the material and read all the books and now I think I got the formula that will work for me, and here it is: Open Disqalify myself Neg Dhv story Games and fun routines (cube, palm read..) Qualify Tell a varnability story with elements of mistery Touch when u get the chance (this is instinctiv so no prob) Now I'm just looking for the right attitude for all this 2 work. I dont rly go often 2 clubs and when I do, I go out with my friend 2 a goth bar or some of those alternative music places, but dont take me wrong, i love the "fency" places aswell I just dont always have the right friends (or wings, what ever) to assist me with that, cause they are all buissy with school or jobs. So my main venue is school. And the problem with that is that in the beginin 1st 2nd 3th class its ok, but after that I feel it is imposible for me to keep the "show" up and I run out of energy and get that melanholic feeling that I rly dont know what to do about =/. Anyways if u could give me any constructive critics bout the formula and/or in any way help me with my situation i would b very gratefull.

Author:	Starbuck [ Wed Dec 12, 2007 4:28 pm ]
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Except for the 'touch when you get the chance'. I don't anything about escalation. Beyond opening and approach anxiety, escalation or the lack thereof is what most guys have the most problem with. In other words, if you can't successfully escalate and at the right time none of the rest of it really matters. I suspect the failure to escalate is the problem with you feeling you're running out of energy and the feeling of melancholy. Next time try shifting the conversation to when you will see her next, n-close or something similar. Then excuse yourself for the time being.

Author:	FeelTheBurn [ Wed Dec 12, 2007 4:40 pm ]
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Wow... mb your right .. Now that I think about it, I always been puting the kino behind, counting on it 2 happend ( more or less ) by it self.. cool dude ! If u could point out a few good ways 2 kino easyly that would be cool. Oh,except the palm read and jewlry checking got those down ;p

Author:	Starbuck [ Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:08 pm ]
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Quote: Wow... mb your right .. Now that I think about it, I always been puting the kino behind, counting on it 2 happend ( more or less ) by it self.. cool dude ! If u could point out a few good ways 2 kino easyly that would be cool. Oh,except the palm read and jewlry checking got those down ;p Sure.. Arm touches or brushes are always great. So is proximity to the target. Invade her space a little and see how she reacts. One of my favorites is the shoulder brush. You stand next to her (which is a great technique in itself, especially in a group), then brush your upper arm or shoulder into hers and rub gently (sorta like a cat rubbing up against you). A chick taught me this once, and it was very effective. I couldn't stop thinking about her for days. If you're feeling especially bold, and you're standing next to her you can put your arm around her waist. When she looks at you, make eye contact and smile. She wont have to guess about your interest then.

Author:	FeelTheBurn [ Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:28 pm ]
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Wow, uber cool ^^ Thx a lot man. I c u know your shit, anything else u would like 2 share with me I will take with great humblness

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Author:	Starbuck [ Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:47 pm ]
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Just come back regularly, read and participate. There's a lot to learn.

Author:	hbgmagnum [ Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:07 pm ]
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The element of disqualify, disinterest, disinterest and then all the sudden interested can sorta come as a suprise to a girl and that suprise emotion is very strong. Its like when girls are younger and asked out for the first time. it makes them giddy. Plus while your disqualifying and showing disinterested, she feels completley comfortable getting to you know and noticing your DHV stories, cuz she doesn't once think your telling these stories to impress her. Anyhow these are just observations I've made.

Author:	FeelTheBurn [ Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:19 pm ]
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Hmm, nicely noticed, but have any ideas how 2 make the transition from disintrest => intrest a bit softer, so there wont b the SUP efect on to it?

Author:	Esperanto [ Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:59 pm ]
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Just a tip, many newbies come on here and try to crack a re-usable "formula" that they can repeat over and over. Unfortunately life, and conversation in particular, does not work in a defined, linear manner. Even Mystery's linear system involves re-calibration and taking steps back if need be. Personally, I believe that you will never become "smooth" if you are obsessing about what the next step in your "plan" is. What if she throws you a curveball? What if you get an interrupt? What if you genuinely get off topic? No formula will help you. Don't get me wrong, its good to have a plan...and your plan seems reasonable. Just don't think of it like a formula. Think of these as "goals" or "guidlines" or "bullet points" to your conversation. In doing so, you will have control of the frame of the conversation and be able to lead it to where you want it to go--which is an ultimate goal of a PUA. Be prepared to skip steps, escalate early, or even backtrack if need be. Sound difficult? It absolutely is. The difference between an AFC and an aspiring PUA is not his skills, but its his recognition that these social dynamics can be learned, practiced, and improved upon with definitive results. You've already recognized this, which is great. So get some general routines, get out into the field (many newbies stay on the keyboard for way too long), and let us know how you did. If you do this regularly, you will improve. Guaranteed. -Esperanto.

Author:	hbgmagnum [ Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:58 am ]
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Quote: Just a tip, many newbies come on here and try to crack a re-usable "formula" that they can repeat over and over. Unfortunately life, and conversation in particular, does not work in a defined, linear manner. Even Mystery's linear system involves re-calibration and taking steps back if need be. Personally, I believe that you will never become "smooth" if you are obsessing about what the next step in your "plan" is. What if she throws you a curveball? What if you get an interrupt? What if you genuinely get off topic? No formula will help you. Don't get me wrong, its good to have a plan...and your plan seems reasonable. Just don't think of it like a formula. Think of these as "goals" or "guidlines" or "bullet points" to your conversation. In doing so, you will have control of the frame of the conversation and be able to lead it to where you want it to go--which is an ultimate goal of a PUA. Be prepared to skip steps, escalate early, or even backtrack if need be. Sound difficult? It absolutely is. The difference between an AFC and an aspiring PUA is not his skills, but its his recognition that these social dynamics can be learned, practiced, and improved upon with definitive results. You've already recognized this, which is great. So get some general routines, get out into the field (many newbies stay on the keyboard for way too long), and let us know how you did. If you do this regularly, you will improve. Guaranteed. -Esperanto. along these lines.. Esperanto is absolutley correct 100%. .. there is no formulas thats why its call pick up artist and not pick up scientist. Along those lines imagine every routine, story, game, gambit, one liner you have as a different type of brush. Each person is going to to have a different skill and comfort level w/ each given brush. And there is always more than 1 way to pick up a girl. Its a matter of using the tools that you're skilled with..

Author:	Starbuck [ Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:11 am ]
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Quote: Quote: Just a tip, many newbies come on here and try to crack a re-usable "formula" that they can repeat over and over. Unfortunately life, and conversation in particular, does not work in a defined, linear manner. Even Mystery's linear system involves re-calibration and taking steps back if need be. Personally, I believe that you will never become "smooth" if you are obsessing about what the next step in your "plan" is. What if she throws you a curveball? What if you get an interrupt? What if you genuinely get off topic? No formula will help you. Don't get me wrong, its good to have a plan...and your plan seems reasonable. Just don't think of it like a formula. Think of these as "goals" or "guidlines" or "bullet points" to your conversation. In doing so, you will have control of the frame of the conversation and be able to lead it to where you want it to go--which is an ultimate goal of a PUA. Be prepared to skip steps, escalate early, or even backtrack if need be. Sound difficult? It absolutely is. The difference between an AFC and an aspiring PUA is not his skills, but its his recognition that these social dynamics can be learned, practiced, and improved upon with definitive results. You've already recognized this, which is great. So get some general routines, get out into the field (many newbies stay on the keyboard for way too long), and let us know how you did. If you do this regularly, you will improve. Guaranteed. -Esperanto. along these lines.. Esperanto is absolutley correct 100%. .. there is no formulas thats why its call pick up artist and not pick up scientist. Along those lines imagine every routine, story, game, gambit, one liner you have as a different type of brush. Each person is going to to have a different skill and comfort level w/ each given brush. And there is always more than 1 way to pick up a girl. Its a matter of using the tools that you're skilled with.. Exactly.. And adapting them to your unique personality, experience, assets, etc.. Every girl is slightly different. Though there are many commonalities. By learning such commonalities about what women want in a man you make it more likely to get the response from them you desire. Unfortunately, there are no magic pills, potions or formulas that will do all the work for you or that will work every time. Although money and fame (social status) are always pluses in the eyes of the vast majority of women. That's why I like to call women the most challenging game on the planet. Men on the other hand are often works in progress. And like school the more homework you do now, the more educated and successful you will be later.

Author:	FeelTheBurn [ Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:17 am ]
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Wow, ok I c your point.. OK, how about the frame esperanto suggested, insted of the "formula" i make it a sort of "check-list" in a conversation, so that way the linear is not to the matter, but the point is still in, cause i rly think this is what u need to do 2 demonstrate value, un-needyness etc. =/

Author:	Esperanto [ Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:47 am ]
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Quote: Wow, ok I c your point.. OK, how about the frame esperanto suggested, insted of the "formula" i make it a sort of "check-list" in a conversation, so that way the linear is not to the matter, but the point is still in, cause i rly think this is what u need to do 2 demonstrate value, un-needyness etc. =/ I think all of our points are that this stuff is conversation ammunition. Not a checklist, but a bag of tricks you can employ to accomplish your objectives. In your mind, you are trying to move from opening to attraction to comfort and some kind of close. Here are a few critiques on the model you presented: Open - Can't change this one Disqalify myself - Whats the venue? Coffee Shop? Street corner? Sort of weird to talk about how you can't date some stranger at the grocery store within 2 minutes of conversing with her...unless you can make it flow and you feel the proper vibe. Neg - Negs are powerful. Incorrectly used and you'll shatter a vibe. Correctly used, and you can lower her value or playfully tease her. Personally, I'll only neg to playfully tease, I feel lowering her value can be a harsh process. But to each his own. Dhv story - Won't always have time for this (and once again this won't always fit into a conversation). Should have alternate ways to DHV. Your entire ATTITUDE should DHV. Games and fun routines (cube, palm read..) - You gonna cube a girl in a 5 set at a crowded bar? You forget to isolate...which isn't always possible. You can only run these routines some of the time. But you CAN lead conversation to them. Qualify - Tell a varnability story with elements of mistery - If you say so. By now you've been talking to her for what sounds like 10 minutes or so, have told one story already, have read her palm, and have teased her. You've lost your mysterious appeal for the most part. Touch when u get the chance (this is instinctiv so no prob) - In some circumstances, you can kino off the bat. In others, you can't kino at all. My point isn't that your plan is faulty as everything you've said has a place during some conversations. I just wanted to point out situations where they may not work. Just know that you can't force anything or else you will look really, really weird. You've got to learn to recognize the flow of a conversation and seamlessly direct it to the proper topics of conversation that will lead to the next stage of your planned pickup. You can use the above "technology" (always thought that term was strange) to do so. Sometimes you can skip steps. Sometimes you'll have to go backwards to go forwards. Sometimes you'll get blown out by one girl but F-close another with the same material. It comes down to your confidence, delivery, understanding of the situation, and how quick you think on your feet. ALL of this comes with practice. If you want to know more about this (essentially, we're talking inner game) Vin DiCarlo has some good material. Furthermore, just work on opening sets for now. See what happens. Baby steps. -Esperanto

Author:	FeelTheBurn [ Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:57 am ]
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Aha, exelent, so these are just tools I use to make my artwork of " the lay " ^^ Cool, I think i got the point, but exept the open - atract atract - comfort model, is there anything specific that should b going in your head like: "ok, i have 2 look not needy and make my self separated from other guys" u disqalify/or neg "Ok, now i have 2 show i have some value" u tease and put down a dhv story. Do u have some plan like that runing through your head, or?

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Author:	FeelTheBurn [ Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:00 am ]
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Oh, and who's Vin DiCarlo and where can I find some of his work?