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Author:  IagoSydney [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:17 am ]
Post subject:  Routines to disarm male obstacles
Hey all,

Does anyone know some good routines (mainly stories) that are good to tell to a guy obstacle while you ignore the target for a bit? I've sarged a few times and I don't have much material for guys which is stupid coz it's such a common obstacle. Stories would be preferred (I like telling stories) but if you've got anything else let me know.

Peace

ps. I apologise if this thread exists elsewhere. I had a decent look and couldn't find anything
Author:  P-Style [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Routines to disarm male obstacles
Quote:
Hey all,

Does anyone know some good routines (mainly stories) that are good to tell to a guy obstacle (1) while you ignore the target (2) for a bit? I've sarged a few times and I don't have much material for guys (3) which is stupid coz it's such a common obstacle (4). Stories would be preferred (I like telling stories) but if you've got anything else let me know.

Peace

ps. I apologise if this thread exists elsewhere. I had a decent look and couldn't find anything
(1) Don't use hostile terms. It's lame and a sign of weakness. Making friends is far better.
(2) Ignoring the target is a heavily abused term. Telling a full story isn't ignoring the target. It's telling a story to someone.
(3) Don't think in pua terms when you're chatting to a guy. He's a guy: he'll probably like sports, cars and porn. Here are your topics.
(4) The biggest obstacle is the faux thaught you need to be able to control everything that happens in social dynamics. Go with the flow and speed up when you feel like it.
Author:  IagoSydney [ Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Routines to disarm male obstacles
Quote:
Quote:
Hey all,

Does anyone know some good routines (mainly stories) that are good to tell to a guy obstacle (1) while you ignore the target (2) for a bit? I've sarged a few times and I don't have much material for guys (3) which is stupid coz it's such a common obstacle (4). Stories would be preferred (I like telling stories) but if you've got anything else let me know.

Peace

ps. I apologise if this thread exists elsewhere. I had a decent look and couldn't find anything
(1) Don't use hostile terms. It's lame and a sign of weakness. Making friends is far better.
(2) Ignoring the target is a heavily abused term. Telling a full story isn't ignoring the target. It's telling a story to someone.
(3) Don't think in pua terms when you're chatting to a guy. He's a guy: he'll probably like sports, cars and porn. Here are your topics.
(4) The biggest obstacle is the faux thaught you need to be able to control everything that happens in social dynamics. Go with the flow and speed up when you feel like it.
I wasn't trying to be disrespectful man, these are just terms that are used in the mystery method. While I too would much rather make friends with the guy, it is also likely that he will try to stop you from being succesful with the girl, even if he isn't necessarily interested in her (its just social dynamics)
Author:  P-Style [ Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:12 pm ]
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I know you mean well, that's why I call you out on it. Mystery uses plenty of terms that are counterproductive. A bomb is to be disarmed, people are just people. It's like Mystery's creating hostility.

Take a shit test for example. The more you think about them, the more you will look for them. When a girl signs you to come over you might be thinking shit test and alarm bells ringing all around your head. My friend near missed a solid make-out because he was convinced the bitch was shittesting him by calling him over. I said to him he's lunatic and should get his ass out of his head. Bam, make-out.
Take amoging, bitch shield, cockblock, mother hen... All those terms are agressive. I've never been agressive while gaming, I've never encountered an amog nor faced a cockblock. They don't exist when you don't want them to.

Thereby is Mystery Method built from the idea you're less than others. It's about breaking other people's value and with their shrapnel build up yours. That's not a way of living. That's not social interaction. I start from the idea that the girl I'm talking is equal to me. She's not better and I'm not better.

There certainly are valuable things to learn from Mystery Method - as a linear system it's really helpfull - but winning a girl has nothing to do with disarming the male friends. It's sickening such nonsense is sold.




To get to your point: if you (it's always about yourself) are interesting enough this guy will never be able to withhold the girl to show interest in you. He won't, he can't. YOU have to make the difference not by disarming but by being disarming (feel the difference?) Now go out and make that girl yours.
Author:  IagoSydney [ Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:42 am ]
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I happen to agree with what you are saying, these terms can be very dehumanising. I think its important to remember that the people we are interacting with are just that; people. they have families, fears, hopes and dreams. So you're right, to call another person an obstacle doesn't really pay respect to that.

Having said that, these terms and structures have given me the confidence to approach people and interact with them in ways that I never could have before. Without these terms and techniques I would never have experienced the successes that I have now and therefore I will continue to use them while treating people as unique and human.

Perhaps to rephrase my original question, does anyone have some stories or routines that could help you bond with another male so that he would be more receptive to you interacting with his female friend?
Author:  xxXTemptationXxx [ Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:07 am ]
Post subject:  Clueless
With all respect style-p seems to have no clue what he is here for. We are not hear to be f... Judgmental and correct other PUAs language problems. That's the job of their mom when they are 4 years old.
You're here to help each other for more success. I will leave it to your inexperience in the field. Dude you still have limiting beliefs...... No good....

Please don't kill the tread if you don't have a routine .
Author:  P-Style [ Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:36 pm ]
Post subject: 
Well as you might have a point in me not helping him here it goes:

What I would do if I were to encounter someone entering my new group.
1. If he were to approach some girl in the group I am but not approaching my target:
Well simply put that would be great. Makes stuff easier to isolate.
2. If he were to approach the whole group I am in:
Supposedly he'd be only addressing the girls so I'd address him. Allow him into my new group but not into my frame. Which means I'd give him a hand, ask him one or two questions thus staying the dominant person in the conversation and eventually returning to the girl I want.
3. If he were to approach one girl and that one girl happens to be the one I want:
This is the worst case scenario. What I'd do is mostly non-verbal. I would stand next to the girl and thus indicating she is my girl. It forces him to stand right in front of her (which is a more agressive position). I'd be kind to him, again addressing him with one or two questions. Trying to get rid of him. (This part depends on the level of attraction you allready have:) If the girl has shown to me she likes me alot I'd ask if she wants him to leave. If attraction levels are mediocre I would make him feel unconfortable by talking in her ear. If he's got better skills then me and she obviously likes him I'd go away eyes to the ground. (No, that is a silly joke of course. But I would go away.)
Author:  xxXTemptationXxx [ Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:40 pm ]
Post subject:  How to get rid of the intrupt
what I would do as an ALPHA is I would not try to show to the dude coming into the set that my target is my girl as that would ONLY cause awkward situation and lower my value by showing too much interest too soon. Often even if a girl Is so into me that she starts asking questions with long-term references ar anything which could indicate I'm invested in her, I would say: "What are you talking about, this is a club!".
Instead, what I would do is, I would either AMOG him out if he's a chode (AFC). and try to make him look creepy and a "Try Hard" if he's another ALPHA (An AMOG). which means I woud use anti-AMOG mechanisms to AMOG him back out. in any other case he could vaporize you outside the set by opening, ignoring you completely and buildng fast attraction to the girls by straight and congruent opening and showing ALPHA non-verbals which are far more powerful than any routine on the planet.
trying to build rapport with an INTRUPT is insane. no good for your game...
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