Ok so this is my first post. As an aspiring PUA I have found this site, amongst others, very helpful in improving my game and getting over sticking points, even though this often involves sifting through hundreds of posts from members who aren't, and never will be successful with women in order to find the real gems.

However, my main issue at the moment is about this obsession with the notion of avoiding hoops at all costs in order to maintain a higher value. I have been guilty in the past of taking everything on these forums to be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth and as a result, when i read about frame control and hoops I immediately took it upon myself to go out into the field and test this new found knowledge.

The basic principle is that when a girl asks a question which requires you to qualify yourself or lays down any other type of hoop, she is trying to create a frame whereby she has the higher value and that she is the prize that you are trying to chase. Common theory states that by answering her qualification question you are buying into her frame and whether you answer right or wrong you still lose. You should destroy her frame and re-frame the situation to give yourself the higher value.

EXAMPLE QUALIFICATION QUESTIONS AND "CORRECT ANSWERS"

"Where do you work?"
-I'm a professional bank robber (move into bank heist opener)

"How old are you?"
-I don't know, it changes every year, I find it difficult to keep track

Which sometimes results in...

"Why don't you answer my questions directly?"
-I haven't answered your questions directly all night, and you were cool with it, stop testing me. Plus I like to keep it a mystery.

And the one and famous...

"Do you do this to all the girls?"
-Yes, but you're the only one who's falling for it so far (smiling)

On the face of it, these type of answers seem brilliant. You've destroyed her frame and established yourself as the prize. There's just one problem. You have shown no value. I'm not talking about this illusion of value we think we have when we give a witty response and set up a frame where she is the one chasing you. I'm talking about genuine alpha male value. Don't get me wrong, these lines are great for setting up the chase, but unless we show genuine value at some point in the set, this chase will eventually run out of steam.

For a long while this was my sticking point. I was answering every question in the manner shown above, i would start an initial chase and just kept plowing until the whole thing died a slow and painful death. But then I realised. Girls ask questions because they're interested in you. There is an initial spark and she WANTS to feel more attracted to you and she WANTS to build a connection. If a girl is attracted to you she's not trying to trick you or catch you out by setting these hoops. Being cocky and funny simply raises her buying temperature, it does not increase her overall attraction.

If she asks if you what your hobbies are tell her you play football. If she asks if you play an instrument, tell her you play the piano or the guitar. Tell her you play Spanish love songs. Show some value. Girls sleep with high value men, they don't fuck losers.